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  • 1) Much of the trivia and references sections are full of useless tripe, people not getting a "joke" is being treated as a mistake (Yeah, in Just Desserts the planet really can't fall out of orbit because of too many fat people! Thank you Doctor Scienceburgstein!!!!), or just people taking the show too damn seriously and other Enterbot-isms.

    2) Parts of the image galleries have these inaccurate, made up, and often cringey quotes attached to them. If you're going to add a quote, and it should be an iconic one not every freaking thing that comes out of a character's mouth, then at least make sure its accurately spelled.

    3) Some articles, especially character bios, are full of speculatory nonsense, or are otherwise just go on for way too long. I mean characters like Tootie and Trixie are my favorites, but they're characters who appear maybe once or twice PER SEASON and have articles that are almost longer than Cosmo or Wanda!

    4) Don't even get me started on how horrible the formating of this wiki works when trying to view it on a phone or smaller than 1080p monitor... granted much of this wiki was built before smartphones took off but some parts of it are just outright broken. There are too many pages you could easily condense much of the wiki by merging things.

    Maybe someone should adopt this wiki that is willing to do some major overhauling. Not me of course, I'm a drawslave so all my free time goes to that, but someone will definitely have to do some major page moving/deleting.

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    • Yeah, I know. I've been at least trying to clean stuff up, but there is only so much I can do myself. I've been slowly working on the episode pages on the Wiki. We are in the process of condensing them to 4 tabs instead of 5. The quotes are being moved to the Trivia pages. I've also been trying to remove pointless notes in the Trivia pages. I might do the same with the Character pages if I get the chance.

      We could probably condense Episodes down to 3 tabs even, now that I think about it (General / Trivia / Images). The appearance tabs on episodes are honestly kinda pointless, since the credits are usually put on the main page anyway.

      And I'm for updating the wiki formatting. I do remember a while back some of the older admins were talking about doing it (There's a way to convert the templates to make them more mobile friendly), but decided against it for some reason I can't remember. I'd have to discuss it with some of the other admins before I start completely overhauling the wiki.

      If there are any regular wiki editors in here, I could really use help on this. Just getting the quote pages moved to the Trivia pages and the templates updated would be incredibly helpful. I probably try and make up an article here soon on how the Trivia pages should look, what information should go where, what should be removed, etc.

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    • Following up on this wiki a year later...

      To keep in mind some of the changes.... let's take a look at other wikis for similar cartoons. TLH has episode pages with summaries that are at an elementary school reading level and straight to the point, not Plato's Republic tier summary of Vicky and Timmy having a skateboard contest. With trivia, most of that can be moved to the main page if the longer episode summaries were trimmed down a bit. The appearances tab can pretty much be removed since its redundant and the cast list is usually provided on the main page.

      For characters, major characters can have unique things that break the uniformality of their pages. For instance on TLH, Lola has a "mean moments" tab. Trivia, again, main page material, doesn't need its own tab. Appearances is a bit trickier since this show went on for so long some characters have an entire pages worth of appearances and in some cases its easier to list what episodes they were absent from (as is done with Lincoln and the more prominent sisters on TLH). Some characters have a tab for what costumes they wore on TLH which is neat (FOP wiki has this for some characters on their main page, but its insanely broken). The image galleries I think are fine as they are for characters.

      I'm not too familiar with the coding that goes into the templates these tabs use and I think the ones here are probably outdated anyway. I'm not sure who is even left alive on the staff here anymore. The person who built most of this wiki has been MIA for a few years now as are most of the other old admins. I would gladly try to salvage some of these pages and make things a bit more navigatable but only if I get a greenlight from someone in charge here, otherwise I'd hate to see my hard work reversed.

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    • Backround images of each months should be included with every pictutres should be established and organised properly too.

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    • Some other ideas, for any admins... really, any admins? Is anyone alive out there? Can anyone hear me?

      Most of the forums are pretty much dead. Heck the most active forum is the FOP talk one which gets a whooping one or two posts per week (usually by the same people) unless a fight breaks out between the pro and anti Chloe people or something. FOP Wiki Announcements? FOP Itself Announcements? Not sure either has a separate use. FOP Related Announcements if they ever happen again (doubtful) should go on the FOP Talk forum and be stickied. FOP Wiki announcements, The FOP Wiki Forum, and the Q&A board are mergable.

      Social has pretty much no use here and its basically a "FOP Talk for people who misclicked the wrong forum". Plus the majority of this wiki's go-ers are probably children so the only people that would be interested in talking to them went out of business when Epstein's island was shutdown. How about something more community-related? Art, stories, theories etcera Forum? I know there is a fanon wiki but it seems kind of atrocious and is even less well policed than this one.

      Long story short, you can probably merge, delete most of these forums, or even just go with one. I've noticed some wikis have a more modern forum such as Loud House's that sort of resemble le reddit, I'm guessing these ones are old code like everything else about this wiki.

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    • Coming to this years later, Im personally against putting all the tabs on one page, pages being too long is bad and I think some wikis dont do it right. But we did delete most of the character Quotes then merged it with Trivia, and I think putting appearances in either the triva or main page tab is a possible good idea. Not that nobody should have all their info on one page (many people do) its just the show has gone on too long for it to be feasable for everyone.

      You have to remember that the initial cleanup of this wiki was around when S10 started, and there's literal years of useless pages and bad editing decisions to wade through. Like, ive personally being going through different navboxes and trying to fix all the pages related to them, and updating all the comic book stuff alone took a couple weeks. Even now thanks to recent edits Im looking to merging all the tonnes of Fairly Odd Fairly tales stuff into just 3 or so pages and the thought of it is giving me a headache.

      On the forums thing you're basically completely right (though I dunno what the other admins think). Social media has basically killed all forums and this site is pretending that's not the case. I never use the forum, I just click on whatever thread I se show up in Wiki Activity. We really just need one or two forums now, and bringing stuff like art and theories sounds like a fine idea.

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    • I think we can work with three forums. One for meta wiki or community stuff, one for general series discussion, one for art/fics/etc. Basically cut everything but the current FOP Talk and Wiki Announcement forums (That would become the general meta forum) then add a fanworks page.

      Some clear rules for the forums could help as well.

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    • Hello! Sorry I didn't make an appearance a year and a half ago. I had a lot on my plate and stuff to worry about, pushing the wiki to the back of my mind.

      The original points addressed in the OP are being worked on, at least the condensation of info thing. I oversaw the image galleries thing for a while and tried to replace all the images with the watermarks with versions without, but that fell through eventually.

      The forums however? That's perhaps the easiest thing, with most of the difficulty being in the format. Fandom allows us to delete boards AND merge their topics into another board. I'm a fan of the Reddit style (definitely not because I like Reddit as a concept or anything), so I was thinking of cutting down the forums into subforums: Wiki and Everything Else.

      Wiki would be about anything relevant to the Wiki. Everything else would be about something FOP-related or the latest Electronic Arts fail. I can also see merit for having three subforums: Wiki, FOP (for FOP itself) and Everything Else. Either way, I'm down for condensed forums.

      What do you think?

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    • Its good and also are we the only ones left here lolXD

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    • PookaMustard wrote: Hello! Sorry I didn't make an appearance a year and a half ago. I had a lot on my plate and stuff to worry about, pushing the wiki to the back of my mind.

      It's nice to see you again.

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    • Nice to have everybody back here.

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    • I built most of the wiki, and before smartphone browsing was anything but a niche. After reading this thread, I tried to access some pages on my phone and its clearly broken.

      Personally I lost all interest in this show after the Sparky and Chloe seasons, and I know I'm not the only one... but if there are those of you that wish to at least salvage my hard work I would be eternally grateful.

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    • Sorry I vanished. I'm surprised to see you here once more, Beckett. Welcome back on the wiki! I hope you're sticking around for the community if not the show itself.

      TooYube and INeedAJob9 are hard at work with making the site more tolerable on mobile. Ultimately I think most of the issues come down to Wikia/Fandom being the mess that it is, but we could make it more palatable. I should do some work, particularly on episode synopses or anything that could be made shorter and easier to read.

      I do need to make the thread I'd promised I'd make "shortly" soon.

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    • It looks like were having a reunion here which im happy to know some new people and the ones who created the wiki.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      I built most of the wiki, and before smartphone browsing was anything but a niche. After reading this thread, I tried to access some pages on my phone and its clearly broken.

      Personally I lost all interest in this show after the Sparky and Chloe seasons, and I know I'm not the only one... but if there are those of you that wish to at least salvage my hard work I would be eternally grateful.

      Thanks for giving me admin status, though to be honest, I don't really have any clue how to edit or fix the episode infoboxes, which according to my experimentation were the main cause of the episode pages being broken on mobile, there seems to be some hardcoded element to them. If I get time during the weekend I'll try to look into it.

      Anyway, a few other thoughts...

      1. The badges while cute and creative, I've seen this happen on other wikis where "badge hunting" becomes a thing and people make dimwitted and often unneeded edits or worthless articles entirely just to rack up their edit count. This seems like less of an issue here because this place is so inactive and this cartoon is basically dead, but its something that should be looked at warily.

      2. There seems to be a bit of disagreement on how exactly we should approach character articles and how they are divided up, considering many are too long already but at the same time you have tabs like trivia or quotes which are hilariously short in comparison in some cases. Some articles are just full of repetition and run-on paragraphs. I took a crack at cleaning up Tootie's page the other day and was able to shorten it by 1000 or so characters, even though I actually added a bit of information.

      3. The last two seasons episode pages are woefully incomplete. I don't have that many recordings from episodes those seasons... many of those episodes are aggressively terrible. But some of them just straight up lack even a basic synopsis.

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    • I actually wanted to axe the badges for daily activity, and only keep the reasonable ones like for a week or two, but I couldn't find the badge controls for the wiki.

      As fir the last two seasons...yeaaaaaah, watching them to write the synopsis can be a challenge in of itself.

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    • ToonBabifier wrote:
      Lord Beckett wrote:
      I built most of the wiki, and before smartphone browsing was anything but a niche. After reading this thread, I tried to access some pages on my phone and its clearly broken.

      Personally I lost all interest in this show after the Sparky and Chloe seasons, and I know I'm not the only one... but if there are those of you that wish to at least salvage my hard work I would be eternally grateful.

      Thanks for giving me admin status, though to be honest, I don't really have any clue how to edit or fix the episode infoboxes, which according to my experimentation were the main cause of the episode pages being broken on mobile, there seems to be some hardcoded element to them. If I get time during the weekend I'll try to look into it.

      Anyway, a few other thoughts...

      1. The badges while cute and creative, I've seen this happen on other wikis where "badge hunting" becomes a thing and people make dimwitted and often unneeded edits or worthless articles entirely just to rack up their edit count. This seems like less of an issue here because this place is so inactive and this cartoon is basically dead, but its something that should be looked at warily.

      2. There seems to be a bit of disagreement on how exactly we should approach character articles and how they are divided up, considering many are too long already but at the same time you have tabs like trivia or quotes which are hilariously short in comparison in some cases. Some articles are just full of repetition and run-on paragraphs. I took a crack at cleaning up Tootie's page the other day and was able to shorten it by 1000 or so characters, even though I actually added a bit of information.

      3. The last two seasons episode pages are woefully incomplete. I don't have that many recordings from episodes those seasons... many of those episodes are aggressively terrible. But some of them just straight up lack even a basic synopsis.

      Seems extremely wierd to get admin status from a very inactive admin without any of the actives one knowing and I have to comment on how that looks (bad), though I dont know the details to know who I'm directing that to in this exchange.

      Regardless, that's what happens when you have a long running show. You are gonna have extremely long pages, or a million short ones. Look at places like the Doctor Who wiki where they have both. I think its unrealistic trying to expect less from a 15 year old cartoon tbh, we should just work on balancing it better, Ive been doing a lot of page merging.

      I would say the last two seasons are incomplete, but I'd also say the older ones are too long. Basically I think most episode pages are a mess.

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    • TooYube wrote:

      Seems extremely wierd to get admin status from a very inactive admin without any of the actives one knowing and I have to comment on how that looks (bad), though I dont know the details to know who I'm directing that to in this exchange.

      Regardless, that's what happens when you have a long running show. You are gonna have extremely long pages, or a million short ones. Look at places like the Doctor Who wiki where they have both. I think its unrealistic trying to expect less from a 15 year old cartoon tbh, we should just work on balancing it better, Ive been doing a lot of page merging.

      I would say the last two seasons are incomplete, but I'd also say the older ones are too long. Basically I think most episode pages are a mess.

      I think most of you owe your admin status here thanks to Lord Beckett's blessing. Plus... I don't think anyone here has been hugely active. Before I made this thread (a year ago!) this place was essentially a rotting corpse and the only posters here spoke broken English.

      Now, I'm not saying long pages are bad, I'm just saying sometimes these articles get repetive or just don't get to the point. In another thread, Pooka showed did a great job shortening the FOP pilot episode. This is what I mean. Let's try to keep in mind what audiences will likely read this wiki: Kids, maybe nostalgic adults, but mostly preteens watching the Nicktoons Network which is where this show seemingly lives on. Lets try to keep stuff simple, think elementary school level, not literature major.

      Obviously, stuff like Channel Chasers or Wishology are epics in their own right and will probably have long pages no matter how you simplify them, but that much is obvious.

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    • ToonBabifier wrote:

      I think most of you owe your admin status here thanks to Lord Beckett's blessing. Plus... I don't think anyone here has been hugely active. Before I made this thread (a year ago!) this place was essentially a rotting corpse and the only posters here spoke broken English.

      That is true, I especially owe my admin status to him, but TooYube does have a point: nobody really knew you were made admin until you said you were. When I make someone an admin or rollback, I make a forum thread about it so that everybody knows - TooYube can attest to that. In short, I don't mind who promotes users, definitely not when it's Lord Beckett, but I do mind that it was done without telling anybody, much less us admins.

      ToonBabifier wrote:Now, I'm not saying long pages are bad, I'm just saying sometimes these articles get repetive or just don't get to the point. In another thread, Pooka showed did a great job shortening the FOP pilot episode. This is what I mean. Let's try to keep in mind what audiences will likely read this wiki: Kids, maybe nostalgic adults, but mostly preteens watching the Nicktoons Network which is where this show seemingly lives on. Lets try to keep stuff simple, think elementary school level, not literature major.

      Thanks! I really liked shortening and rewriting the synopsis even though it was harder than I expected. It had to come at the loss of some details, but the synopsis shouldn't really spoil every nook and cranny of the episode, only what's most relevant.

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    • I got a question,What happens when you get the higher badge?Do you get to be a administrator or something else?I didnt read much of the policies at the wiki since im a little busy at my college here so help me out poeple please.

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    • I know Tb from his art and his posts on toonzone, they are knowledgeable of this show and impartial and passionate, that is good enough for me. I've never had to consult anyone else if I wanted to make them admin, nor do i mean to usurp anyone, but you should all know this: bureaus, admins, users, should all be working together and only in times of absolute deadlock should higher privilege users be "shot calling". You all seem to be working in harmony right now from what I see. Admin privilege is really just access to editing special/locked pages.

      And on that subject, Tb brought up hardcoded elements... I think you mean things found under MediaWiki:Wikia.css Common.css Wkia.js ... Ill be honest I frakensteined most of the code together and some of it, like the stuff that controlled the Era template, is defunct. Good luck!

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      I know Tb from his art and his posts on toonzone, they are knowledgeable of this show and impartial and passionate, that is good enough for me. I've never had to consult anyone else if I wanted to make them admin, nor do i mean to usurp anyone, but you should all know this: bureaus, admins, users, should all be working together and only in times of absolute deadlock should higher privilege users be "shot calling". You all seem to be working in harmony right now from what I see. Admin privilege is really just access to editing special/locked pages.

      Im just saying it would be good to let people know what's going on, though I came on here right as you left so I have no idea how you did things.


      ToonBabifier wrote:

      Now, I'm not saying long pages are bad, I'm just saying sometimes these articles get repetive or just don't get to the point. In another thread, Pooka showed did a great job shortening the FOP pilot episode. This is what I mean. Let's try to keep in mind what audiences will likely read this wiki: Kids, maybe nostalgic adults, but mostly preteens watching the Nicktoons Network which is where this show seemingly lives on. Lets try to keep stuff simple, think elementary school level, not literature major.

      Obviously, stuff like Channel Chasers or Wishology are epics in their own right and will probably have long pages no matter how you simplify them, but that much is obvious.

      I meant more for character and lore stuff, I dont think individual episode pages should be long at all really. Except for the big ones or ones that have a million things in them like Fairly Odd Fairy Tales. And yeah repetitiveness is an issue.

      I'm gonna try and chime in with the episode synopsis stuff (probably espcially for S9 which is the one even people who like the modern era didnt watch) but now that I have the time to be here again I'll probably continue my own project which is fixing a navbox and then fixing all the pages related to it, which has been pretty effective. Regardless the biggest goal of the wiki for like 3 years has been just trimming all the useless stuff away and ordering what's left.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      I know Tb from his art and his posts on toonzone, they are knowledgeable of this show and impartial and passionate, that is good enough for me. I've never had to consult anyone else if I wanted to make them admin, nor do i mean to usurp anyone, but you should all know this: bureaus, admins, users, should all be working together and only in times of absolute deadlock should higher privilege users be "shot calling". You all seem to be working in harmony right now from what I see. Admin privilege is really just access to editing special/locked pages.

      And on that subject, Tb brought up hardcoded elements... I think you mean things found under MediaWiki:Wikia.css Common.css Wkia.js ... Ill be honest I frakensteined most of the code together and some of it, like the stuff that controlled the Era template, is defunct. Good luck!

      Thanks... being an admin or not is not really a big deal for me, if it allows me to fix some of the templates than so be it but otherwise I don't really plan to be too active here or any wiki really. I also took a look at some of those code pages and wow... I know a little coding but thats really a lot of overwhelming stuff. Just think fixing the episode infobox is the only real concern and I'll try to compare that code to other wikis and see if I can find what exactly is breaking the episode infobox for mobile.

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    • ToonBabifier wrote:

      Thanks... being an admin or not is not really a big deal for me, if it allows me to fix some of the templates than so be it but otherwise I don't really plan to be too active here or any wiki really.

      By the way, I sent you a note on DA, you might wanna check it out. Wikia really should support private/direct messages

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    • ToonBabifier wrote:
      Lord Beckett wrote:
      I know Tb from his art and his posts on toonzone, they are knowledgeable of this show and impartial and passionate, that is good enough for me. I've never had to consult anyone else if I wanted to make them admin, nor do i mean to usurp anyone, but you should all know this: bureaus, admins, users, should all be working together and only in times of absolute deadlock should higher privilege users be "shot calling". You all seem to be working in harmony right now from what I see. Admin privilege is really just access to editing special/locked pages.

      And on that subject, Tb brought up hardcoded elements... I think you mean things found under MediaWiki:Wikia.css Common.css Wkia.js ... Ill be honest I frakensteined most of the code together and some of it, like the stuff that controlled the Era template, is defunct. Good luck!

      Thanks... being an admin or not is not really a big deal for me, if it allows me to fix some of the templates than so be it but otherwise I don't really plan to be too active here or any wiki really. I also took a look at some of those code pages and wow... I know a little coding but thats really a lot of overwhelming stuff. Just think fixing the episode infobox is the only real concern and I'll try to compare that code to other wikis and see if I can find what exactly is breaking the episode infobox for mobile.

      I highly recommend finding a small thing to fix and focusing on that. You'll never get anything done if you just jump into change something that's happening across every page

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    • Tinkered with the infobox episode and on my test page it appears to have fixed the problem. However on normal pages its still broken, and I believe the other cause right now is the episode overhead tab.

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