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  • A few years ago when I took over this wiki, it was pretty much dead. Most of the characters had no pages, let alone images, and if there were any episode summaries they looked as if they were written by a chimpanzee on a keyboard.

    Now, the wiki has grown since, it has a modest amount of activity, and a few more admins than just me and only me (I've since stepped down, but I'll check back here from time to time to try and give input). However, it also has several major problems that need to be addressed.

    First, the layout of pages. When I took over and added a uniform layout for most of the Wiki, there wasn't some scrunched together page layout that Wikia forces on all its Wikis for some reason. Its supposedly to help with mobile viewers, but trust me, browsing this wiki on a mobile phone is still a nightmare. My recommendation is to abandon the tabbed page format and align closer to what some active wikis such as the Steven Universe or Gravity Falls wiki use. There are no tabs, all the information is kept on one page. Image galleries have a subpage (ie Timmy Turner/Images) but otherwise everything is kept to a single page as it cuts down significantly on the amount of pages the wiki has.

    Image galleries can remain as they are (separated by character/episode), its the only way I can figure how to manage the obscene load times. The icons (both the ones that used to appear on the top left, and the ones in the image galleries that link to individual character galleries from the main episode image gallery) and things on the top though are breaking the page in mobile and will most likely have to be adjust.

    Second, many things such as Featured Article voting, haven't been kept up to date. So the community will have to come together and figure out how to make more featured articles. My own project to replace the PNG image galleries with JPG has since been abandoned, but I'm sure someone else can pick up the slack. Basically, PNGs cause way to much of a load time and the quality loss is really negligible.

    Third and finally, some pages should just be flat out merged. I remember there being a discussion on Vicky's pets, or those random chefs that appeared in some episode about food, they don't each need their own page. Insignificant stuff should really be kept on one page.

    I'm sure there is more that I missed, feel free to discuss any ideas for fixing the Wiki. If I have time this week, I'll try to fix the layout for a few pages of characters and episodes to give you all a rough idea of how it should work.

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    • I dont think tabbed pages should be removed though. For me, every wiki is a nightmare to browse using the mobile site. The full site is fine on my phone however and I regularly browse and even edit pages from there. But mobile sites are just universally terrible, tabs or not.

      Basically, I think focusing on lessening the number of pages and improving navigation is more important than the mobile site fixing. Or, a better option would be to disable the mobile site somehow, as that's just a lost cause in my opinion. I also dont like the idea of removing tabs because it makes getting to each section faster and more convenient on the full site, and we're basically getting rid of the better option on the site used the most to fix up a site that's used much less.

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    • I do agree that stuff like featured article voting and all the other stuff you said needs improving though.

      And maybe we could cut down on tabs by moving character trivia sections to thier main page. But I dont want the pages getting overlong.

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    • PNGs have worked fine for me. Every image I've posted was a PNG, and from what I saw it was pretty decent quality.

      Y'all can take a look for yourselves and see if the quality is good or could be better?

      Cc
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    • That's a great quality image. The point is that JPGs are smaller and so would mean less loading. The quality is lowered though. I personally wouldnt use them for Seasons 8 to 10 where things got HD but I dont really upload pictures anyways.

      I dont think Ive had a problem with the pngs because the pictures being uploaded are never usually that large in dimensions, but if anyone else has problems they can say so since this is a disucission and all that.

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    • Yeah, this clip was from season 9. The episodes from Vudu that I watch and get my images from are HDX. That only goes for seasons 9-10 however, seasons 6-8 are in SD, which is a significantly lower quality.

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    • Here is an example page of what I did:

      Timmy Turner

      I cut away some of the useless or stupid quotes, but the trivia section needs to be cut down as well since its full of useless rubbish (there is another thread on this)

      It didn't end up being as long as I thought. The gallery link is broken on that but it will work when its moved to the main, actual Timmy page.

      Really, its just the useless crap (and sometimes repetitive) trivia that needs to be cut down.

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    • TooYube wrote: I dont think tabbed pages should be removed though. For me, every wiki is a nightmare to browse using the mobile site. The full site is fine on my phone however and I regularly browse and even edit pages from there. But mobile sites are just universally terrible, tabs or not.

      Basically, I think focusing on lessening the number of pages and improving navigation is more important than the mobile site fixing. Or, a better option would be to disable the mobile site somehow, as that's just a lost cause in my opinion. I also dont like the idea of removing tabs because it makes getting to each section faster and more convenient on the full site, and we're basically getting rid of the better option on the site used the most to fix up a site that's used much less.

      It's not just mobile viewers. Having to click on a new page just to get to the trivia, appearances, or quote pages seems extremely redundant, especially since some of these pages are only a few lines long! They still take a while to load because of Wikia's code, it's easier to just throw them all on one page and cut down on the cruft. I don't have the fastest internet connection in the world but it at the very least managed the Timmy Turner test page I made quite decently.

      Really, the vast majority of the load time is caused by images. Some of the PNGs look nice, but having a dozen 1mb PNG files on a single page is a waste of bandwidth, not to mention agonizing on a slow internet connection like mine. And trust me, the quality loss for a cartoon that uses solid colors mostly is minimal between PNG and JPG, even the HD episodes.

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    • I'd be fine with switching to JPG images, I guess. I dont like the artifacts but It will be more beneficial in the long run.


      But that test page was soooo long and I'm not really a fan of it. Even with the really, really stupid trivia that it has for some reason. I'd prefer maybe lowering the tabs to 3 instead of 5. The quotes can go on the trivia page and be reduced, and the Galleries can be linked on the main page.

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    • Also making more use of the smaller tab instead of the large one, for more minor characters. For minor characters with less info, I actually have been putting the Trivia and such on the main page.


      (merged with previous comment) Also, while it's nice to use other wikis as examples, you should remember that the other shows are different. FoP is a 15 year old show with a very large main cast, a tonne of lore and a tendency to have a large amount of One Time Characters. I dont expect this Wiki to be doing things quite like others do.

      In fact, a show in a similar situation, The SImpsons, has tabbed episode pages. I do think taking pointers from other wikis is nice, but while bearing in mind the shows they are for.

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    • Much alike what TooYube said, Wikia mobile sites are HORRENDOUS. If I ask Chrome for Android to request the desktop site of this Wikia, it actually handles it BETTER than the mobile site it was supposed to handle. The better outlook here is that the tabbers can have the quotes and trivia merged together, so it won't make the main page longer than it should be, and to hold a sizable amount of content itself.

      However, I wonder if we can go with the on-page tabers (like the tabers for a character's images). This way, all the info is loaded in one go, with the images separated into another page. Same result as the tabbers we have now as well.

      As for the images, personally JPGs should be the defacto indeed. The size of JPGs allow for pages to quickly load. A typical gallery upload of mine is 13MBs worth of data. With PNG, it might enter a bigger realm with even less images (I typically upload around 300 to 450 images per gallery).

      Indeed, featured articles is a mess. Mrs. Turner's featured repeats the part about how she and Mr. Turner fell in love, twice. They should be rewritten at the very least.

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    • TooYube wrote:
      I'd be fine with switching to JPG images, I guess. I dont like the artifacts but It will be more beneficial in the long run.


      But that test page was soooo long and I'm not really a fan of it. Even with the really, really stupid trivia that it has for some reason. I'd prefer maybe lowering the tabs to 3 instead of 5. The quotes can go on the trivia page and be reduced, and the Galleries can be linked on the main page.

      I'd be fine with them too if the quality wasn't so bad. Now if the size of PNGs are the only factor that causes them to take long times loading, we could simply make them smaller and the problem should be solved. Unless of course, the problem is more complex than that.

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    • Personally, I also prefer really long pages with all the important information about a character +trivia in one place over several different tabs. And it wouldn't hurt to not have like a gazillion different image tabs for the Character Profile, too, it IS a really bad strain on weaker internet connection and not everyone has the patience to put up with that.

      My two cents

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    • We actually did take the image tabs off the character main pages for that reason. It was pointless and not up to date anyways. Those were moved to the image pages.

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    • We were discussing this a while ago, but do we really need a page for nearly every day of the year? Most of them don't have more than one or maybe two events on them. Some literally have nothing on them or have false info, which leaves us with a blank page when we take it out. And we already have pages for whole months with all of the events on them, which I've personally cleaned up and added any missing important dates, taken off false info, dead links, etc.

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    • Greetings! It is good that you have asked this question. In my opinion, we do not. Simply put, we could consolidate all of these into one page detailing the events. Considering that Fairly OddParents barely mentions the day an episode's events play out, it's not that big a loss and it helps ease the navigation of the wiki.

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    • I know this is sudden, but I think certain pages should be merged. For Timmy, Chole, and everyone else alter egos. Like we can have a page hat says tummy disguise, or alter egos

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    • I think a few of them are too big, like Cleft or Gary, but you're right in that alter ego pages should be together.

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    • The real issue is finding the balance between having too many pages and having every page be too long.

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    • TooYube wrote:
      The real issue is finding the balance between having too many pages and having every page be too long.

      I understand that can be tough. I think it's alright if Garry has his own page still. Why he is Timmy he is basically a different character. Also, he is a villain.  

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    • Me & TooYube are still working on merging the Episode Quote Pages & Refererence pages, I'm starting with Season 10 since most of those pages are still a mess, need get those filled out and into reasonable shape, and then work around starting with the OYC! episodes, then Season 1 and so forth. Will probably mark the quote pages for deletion (or make a tag up for this) once they are merged so yall know which are done. I have the code for the updated tabs once the project is complete.

      Regarding Alter egos, I think it depends on the alter egos, ones like Cleft are big enough to deserve their own pages. Gary doesn't really count as an alter ego IMO, he's a separate character. Minor Alter Egos with little info (Galactimus, Dr. Maybe, etc.) can be moved to a general page for the character.

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    • I'd rather the quotes pages arent cluttered up by deletion tags.

      It's better we go a season at a time. Fix a season's reference pages, then I'll look through them and delete the quotes pages, then we go to a new season and repeat.

      I'm also in the process of fixing the Timmy Alter-Ego navbox, and I'll can see which ones to delete after that is done

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    • INeedAJob9 wrote:
      Me & TooYube are still working on merging the Episode Quote Pages & Refererence pages, I'm starting with Season 10 since most of those pages are still a mess, need get those filled out and into reasonable shape, and then work around starting with the OYC! episodes, then Season 1 and so forth. Will probably mark the quote pages for deletion (or make a tag up for this) once they are merged so yall know which are done. I have the code for the updated tabs once the project is complete.

      Regarding Alter egos, I think it depends on the alter egos, ones like Cleft are big enough to deserve their own pages. Gary doesn't really count as an alter ego IMO, he's a separate character. Minor Alter Egos with little info (Galactimus, Dr. Maybe, etc.) can be moved to a general page for the character.

      Ysh ones like clift can stay ,but smaler ones like the mask magican can be merged

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