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  • Well this has been known at least somewhat for a while now, that a new girl would be joining the FOP cast and would be a third love interest to Timmy Turner (Or fourth/fifth/sixth/seventh? depending on what whackjob you listen to). Her name is Missy and, well... I think the FOP fans are going to have a lot of fun talking about her.

    I won't spoil too much in the articles, but this thread is meant to be fair game. If you are really concerned about getting spoiled from Fairly Oddparents of all things (Pro-tip: Timmy will wish everything normal in the end, and the running gag will repeat itself three times, oops I just spoiled every episode :) then read no further.


    Okay, here is Missy.

    Missy

    Missy a new student at Timmy's school

    Right now its not known who is voicing her. It's unlikely to be Dionne Quan, and I'll explain why later, but this is all speculating. What is known now is how she appears, how she feels about Timmy, how Timmy feels about her, and what happens between them. So, now is your last chance to avoid spoilers.

    Basically, in the episode, Timmy falls in love with Missy. Why, what happened to Trixie Tang, and other details are not explained in the episode summary I read. Missy throughout the episode appears to show interest in other boys, and whenever she shows Timmy any sort of attention, he sort of suffers a breakdown (Think Stan from South Park with Wendy, except less puking). He wishes to become emo and "not caring" so this wouldn't happen, but this causes other fairy related problems of course and some elaborate ring jumping (speaking metaphorically) must be performed as usual to prevent Timmy from losing his fairies for the millionth time. Once the usual slapstick and suspenseful parts are done with, the episode ends with Timmy back to normal, and Missy admitting that she liked Timmy all along for who he was. Timmy and Missy walk off into the sunset, with Timmy slightly freaking out again as the screen goes black.

    Well, first thing on many peoples minds is probably going to be "Where is Tootie? Where is Trixie? Who is this new girl?". For the first question, I think the city of Dimmsdale needs to put out an amber alert for Tootie, she hasn't been seen outside of the live action sideshow for two seasons. The second, I brought up Dionne Quan before, her last credited voice work according to IMDB.com was in 2009. I've heard rumors that Quan has essentially retired from voice acting, but have received no verification. If it's true and she's left the show, it's possible the creators want her iconic Trixie Tang character to go with her, but I'm only speculating, They have referenced Trixie once already in season 9, but she has not appeared on screen at all. A recent interview also had someone bring up the status of Timmy/Trixie, and while Butch Hartman gave a roundabout positive sounding answer regarding them, he didn't say she had left the show then either. Final question is one you'll have to ask Butch Hartman, hopefully one of the yesmen who usually gives him an interview once every six years will bring it to him.

    Missy's character can be regarded as a medium between Tootie and Trixie. She's nice, pretty, somewhat popular, and likes Timmy but not too overbearingly. In ways she can easily be regarded as a Mary Sue type character, and I can already see many people passing her off as such. I myself don't like the change, I've always felt this show should've ended with Timmy and Tootie, but now? They've turned Timmy, the average kid, into the school bachelor, and it doesn't even feel genuine to ship Timmy with anyone anymore, he loves his fairies and would probably murder his real family to keep them.

    What do you guys think of Missy? Does she improve the show, or is it just another rider on the pale horse alongside Sparky and Poof?

    Finding Emo - Polish

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    • I just skipped the spoilers part of your message but I'm sure she'll like Timmy for who she is. Personally, this is my new ship even though I haven't seen the episode yet. I mean, she just fits better. She actually likes Timmy. Trixie is a jerk to Timmy and Tootie is a crazy stalker (both of them are still funny though). I do hope she appears more.

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    • The Writers are absolute morons. Total and complete morons. Why can't they just leave chizz alone? She is POINTLESS!!!!!!! I mean SERIOUSLY! Does the show REALLY need another twit shipped with him? More Network interfering that what this crap is. This is total CRAP! The writers want to bring back viewers?! GET RID OF THE BLASTED DOG!!!!!!!!!! That would help immensely! Sparky and Missy will be the downfall of this entire franchise. I mean serious you moronic writers there IS a girl you already PLACED him with. Are you that freaking stupid. As my OC Caly Jingler would say, "Ye are all twits and need to be shoved in a acid pit filled with radioactive Priahanas, and Then sent to Uranus, then Put in the Fairy World prision with a toy crazy Elf."

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    • I feel like I'm the only one on this wiki who can stay positive about this show.

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    • Heeha wrote: I feel like I'm the only one on this wiki who can stay positive about this show.

      I've tried, but this latest season has been bad. I thought everything from Poof being born onward was mediocre, but this season has been one mistake and bad plot after another. It's the tip of the iceberg too, there are other mistakes I noticed in the upcoming episodes which show that the writers really don't care anymore and just want to get through this season as fast as possible so they can end the show.

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    • As someone who still supports Timmy/Tootie, I'm gonna say that Timmy getting another love interest is probably an even more pointless addition to the show than Sparky, especially since the live-action movies clearly show us that Timmy ends up with Tootie in the future.

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    • Now I feel like I've the only fan of the show that likes the ninth season. Personally, I thought Poof was a nice addition but Sparky was unnesscary. I feel like if the show goes down, they'll just keeping adding more and more characters to the main cast instead of using underused characters. I just hope that the ninth season doesn't have much more plots with Crocker in them for no reason.

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    • JeremyCreek wrote:
      As someone who still supports Timmy/Tootie, I'm gonna say that Timmy getting another love interest is probably an even more pointless addition to the show than Sparky, especially since the live-action movies clearly show us that Timmy ends up with Tootie in the future.

      I dunno, Missy seems like a nice additon and a ship that actually makes sense for Timmy to end up with. Let's face us, Tootie was way out of character in the live action movies. She doesn't even look like how she used to look.

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    • Heeha wrote: I dunno, Missy seems like a nice additon and a ship that actually makes sense for Timmy to end up with. Let's face us, Tootie was way out of character in the live action movies. She doesn't even look like how she used to look.

      I don't think Tootie was intended to remain acting like a hyperactive ten year old forever.

      JeremyCreek makes a good point. They are still going with Timmy/Tootie in the live action movies, another one of which is slated to be released next year. That pairing is far from dead, but its presence on the main cartoon has been reduced and I think Hartman is making a huge mistake in creating a relationship focus on a one-shot character in the cartoon. On top of that, going by the usual Tammy/Tommy factor, Missy doesn't look like she is a candidate for the mother as the kids share none of her traits.

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    • Heeha wrote: I dunno, Missy seems like a nice additon and a ship that actually makes sense for Timmy to end up with. Let's face us, Tootie was way out of character in the live action movies. She doesn't even look like how she used to look.

      I disagree with that. Even if Hartman can't say it with all the words, I still think the live-action movies are canon. I can't see Hartman thinking "oh well, this movie will be like a parallel universe where Timmy really looks like Drake Bell!". No! I think he just thought that was the future he wanted for Timmy, and that qualifies it as canon.

      Once it said, Timmy does end up with Tootie. However, we all know this show can't keep continuity, so, if it is for us to get mad for Tootie/Trixie's recently absence, at least things will get a little different with this new girl around. Valentines Day is around the corner, maybe an episode featuring all of Timmy's love interests?

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    • Oh, I just hope Trixie tang returns for season 9.

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    • CAPRAFILMS wrote:
      Oh, I just hope Trixie tang returns for season 9.

      I couldn't agree more. If the rumor does come true about Quan's retirement, I'm going to be extremely upset because losing Trixie Tang will hurt the show more than Poof and Sparky combined. Trixie is one of the main characters of the show and eliminating her is a dick move by Butch and the creators. As a fan of both TimTrix and TimmyxTootie (somewhat), I don't like the character for the sole reason that it could ruin the long established ships in the series. Plus, she could be a Mary Sue character and that makes Missy less interesting than Tootie or Trixie but I have to wait and see. I hope we see Trixie and Tootie interact in an upcoming episode in the future like if Tootie becomes a friend of Trixie or something similar.

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    • I wonder who'll be the voice actor who will voice Missy?

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    • more importantly if she becomes a regular, then the fanwar will incease. Meaning it'll be a 3- way war!!!!

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    • Alfa9delta wrote:

      Heeha wrote: I dunno, Missy seems like a nice additon and a ship that actually makes sense for Timmy to end up with. Let's face us, Tootie was way out of character in the live action movies. She doesn't even look like how she used to look.

      I disagree with that. Even if Hartman can't say it with all the words, I still think the live-action movies are canon. I can't see Hartman thinking "oh well, this movie will be like a parallel universe where Timmy really looks like Drake Bell!". No! I think he just thought that was the future he wanted for Timmy, and that qualifies it as canon.

      Once it said, Timmy does end up with Tootie. However, we all know this show can't keep continuity, so, if it is for us to get mad for Tootie/Trixie's recently absence, at least things will get a little different with this new girl around. Valentines Day is around the corner, maybe an episode featuring all of Timmy's love interests?

      Well, I'll be honest. After watching the movie again recently it makes a lot of sense. Cosmo even reminds Timmy to feed the dog. ...But then Wanda says Timmy doesn't have a dog. Is Wanda trying to say that Sparky is not a dog? Some people are saying he died but Sparky states that fairy dogs don't die so that can't be it. Everything else makes sense but it's just Sparky not being there that just sort of throws me off.

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    • I have a feeling Missy would be voice by Tara Strong, for some odd reason. I mean, she voices two of the main four characters and she's one of the most reaccuring voices in the show. 

      Dionne still might be voice acting, though. Sometimes (voice) actors have a period where they don't get jobs or are in a tense time in their life, so they don't take the jobs. Another thing is that Wikipedia and IMBD don't update a page everytime they get a new role for a show they've been doing since 1998. 

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    • Okay, I was able to find some Polish versions of some of the new episodes, including this one.

      The website with the videos Finding Emo - Polish

      Just some corrections I'll make to the top post, mainly about the ending. Timmy and Missy walk off into the sunset holding hands, though they don't seem to kiss, that was just Cosmo all along. A running gag or trait with her is that she is always followed by blue birds like in the picture. Since the episode was dubbed in Polish, and they did not show the credits, I still don't know who is voicing her in the English version.

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    • Personally, I don't know where I stand on this, since I've yet to see 'Finding Emo'. Until I see that episode, I'll have to remain neutral. (I'll remain neutral anyway so as to not start any fanwars here)

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    • I feel that Missy is a perfect addition to the show and the idea of being a possible love interest of Timmy is great. I don't like Tootie because stalks Timmy and she doesn't have a life for her own. For Trixie we ALL know that whatever is between Trixie and Timmy AINT GONNA HAPPEN! Also I think Trixie is too self absorbed, cares only about being popular, want all guys to throw themselves to her and worship the ground she walks on. So I think Missy should be the true love interest for Timmy, besides everybody on Tumblr are shipping them, heck even I am.

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    • I think Finding Emo maybe Missy's only appearance.

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    • Molla wrote:
      I feel that Missy is a perfect addition to the show and the idea of being a possible love interest of Timmy is great. I don't like Tootie because stalks Timmy and she doesn't have a life for her own. For Trixie we ALL know that whatever is between Trixie and Timmy AINT GONNA HAPPEN! Also I think Trixie is too self absorbed, cares only about being popular, want all guys to throw themselves to her and worship the ground she walks on. So I think Missy should be the true love interest for Timmy, besides everybody on Tumblr are shipping them, heck even I am.

      If everyone on Tumblr decided to jump off a cliff would you? Just b/c other people are doing something doesn't mean you have to follow. People are entitled to thier opinions. FOP has been going downhill for a while now, The live action movies had been getting better ratings and secondly the live action films have yet to be contradicted by the TV Series. So ergo, GUTT, AFOC and AFOS are considered to be cannon. Hate to burst your little bubble there. And people still pair Timmy with Vicky when the two CLEARLY don't like each other, but like I said everyone is entitled to thier opinion. And honestly you shouldn't bash other people's pairings.

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    • Ok ok other

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    • Guys, what's with all this drama about a character that ACTUALLY makes a better love interest for Timmy than Tootie, Trixie, and all the other girls everyone is shipping?! Tootie is like Amy Rose during the degration of Sonic the Hedgehog, Trixie is like Sally Acorn when she was being too biased in SatAM and issue 134 of the Archie Comics. Missy, on the other hand, makes me think that she's like Amy Rose in Sonic Adventure 1 and 2, and Sonic Lost World, where her personality was revolving around being considerate of others, playful, an innocent heart, and thinking of other people besides the love interest.

      The problem is Butch Hartman didn't even think about creating Missy before when he made the pilot. When he made Fairy Flu, he made the obsessed girl... even though she wasn't obsessed that much before season 2... then the popular girl... even though she wasn't that heartless before, again, season 2... when season 2 did come, Butch dumbed down the characters and made them horrible for years... but right now, Trixie and Tootie are never to be seen again, which means they have to reintroduce the love interest concept, combining the two girls into one, give her a new design that would be appealing, and make it less awful in terms of character.

      I know it sounds silly for me to say this, but... out of the three canonical love interests for Timmy, Missy is the better one.

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    • ^You lost me at "Tootie is like Amy Rose". Sorry but I don't think Tootie is anywhere near as violent or imposing as those type of crappy characters.

      The thing about Missy is while the character herself isn't bad, its too little, too late, and they've already taken the show in one direction with the live movies so Hartman continuing his love triangle crap just makes him look indecisive.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      ^You lost me at "Tootie is like Amy Rose". Sorry but I don't think Tootie is anywhere near as violent or imposing as those type of crappy characters.

      The thing about Missy is while the character herself isn't bad, its too little, too late, and they've already taken the show in one direction with the live movies so Hartman continuing his love triangle crap just makes him look indecisive.

      Exactly! He's like Seth MacFarlene from Family Guy, where he doesn't give a crap about the series anymore, and the quality of the series starts to decrease. Also, I said "Tootie is Sonic Heroes Amy Rose", not just "Tootie is Amy Rose"; because I later said "Missy is Sonic Adventure Amy Rose". And yes, Missy showing up is too little, too late. She would've showed up if Butch Hartman didn't even think of shipping those horrible characters. Perhaps the series is in need of a reboot. Shall we discuss this elsewhere?

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    • I don't think many viewers will sit and accept Missy as any sort of replacement for Tootie.

      Tootie herself was an underdog character, there are only a few scenes in the show which really make you say "Wow, why doesn't Timmy get with her and stop being a jerk?". I wouldn't dare call her ugly, but she isn't meant to be the attractive one like Trixie. She is never really a threat and at best only a minor annoyance, even in the late season episodes a few people demonized her for she didn't do much other than attempt to procure a kiss from Timmy. Much of Tootie's stronger writing in my opinion actually came in the children's books and comics that featured her. This is why many people were delighted by the FOP live action movie, even in spite of its obvious faults, because its the first time Hartman openly acknowledged "Okay, people really like this character, I'm going to do something big with her." Her getting replaced on the cartoon while an alternative live action version of her gets built up is only going to confuse and drive off viewers.

      Missy on the other hand is a character just sort of tossed into the fray. We don't even see how Timmy first falls in love with her, or why really, she just sort of spontaneously appears at Timmy's school. She has no prior connection to the old Fairly Oddparents media (pre-Poof episodes, storybooks, comics, the stuff long-time FOP fans cherish) and most viewers who see her will probably be like "Who is this girl? Was there an episode I missed?"

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    • Will Missy appear on any more episodes?

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    • Luis106 wrote:
      Will Missy appear on any more episodes?

      Just on "Finding Emo" only.

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    • I hope so

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    • What really just on "Finding Emo"? I was hoping for more episodes.

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    • Are you kidding me, that would DESTROY the show. 

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Are you kidding me, that would DESTROY the show. 

      I have to agree with you on that. I mean having two main love intrests for Timmy is enough, but a third is just too much. I rather see Veronica return again than MIssy because at least she has the best qualities of both Tootie and Trixie.

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    • Punishcard wrote:
      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Are you kidding me, that would DESTROY the show. 
      I have to agree with you on that. I mean having two (three if you count Veronica) main love intrests for Timmy is enough, but a third is just too much. I rather see Veronica return again than MIssy because at least she has the best qualities of both Tootie and Trixie.


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    • To tell you the truth, I don't really mind Missy. As long as she is only a ONE TIME love interest. Then all of the subsequent love related episodes are back to Trixie and Tootie. I hope that all is true.

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    • Punishcard why would you say that?

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    • Punishcard let Timmy have three love interests.

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    • I still really hope that Missy is really just a one time love interest. Not one that actually replaces the real ones, Trixie and Tootie. If this season ends up having zero Trixie (aside from her mention) or Tootie appearances, and expecially another appearance of Missy (or a whole other new girl), I am just going to think that these writers are totally hopeless. I just don't see why they would do something THAT STUPID. I wish they would just LISTEN TO US!!!

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    • Fopsb161819 what the writers won't take Trixie and Tootie away from the show.

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    • The writers would just leave Trixie and Tootie on the show and they would probably get jealous of Missy.

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    • That would so cool espically Tootie because she is obsessed with Timmy and she might get super jealous and also get more jealous than Trixie.

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    • Who knows what Tootie will do to Missy after getting jealous of her for being Timmy's girlfriend unless we have more episodes of Missy on The fairly oddparents season 9 with 26 episodes.

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    • Luis106 wrote:
      Who knows what Tootie will do to Missy after getting jealous of her for being Timmy's girlfriend unless we have more episodes of Missy on The fairly oddparents season 9 with 26 episodes.

      I think that if the writers decided to have another appearance of Missy, they won't be very clever (as usual). We all know these new writers, and the chance of them thinking up such a clever and continuous plot like Tootie getting jealous of Missy, isn't very big. They might suprise us, but I think it would be way safer to just keep Missy a one time character. 

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    • Numbuh26 wrote:
      Molla wrote:
      I feel that Missy is a perfect addition to the show and the idea of being a possible love interest of Timmy is great. I don't like Tootie because stalks Timmy and she doesn't have a life for her own. For Trixie we ALL know that whatever is between Trixie and Timmy AINT GONNA HAPPEN! Also I think Trixie is too self absorbed, cares only about being popular, want all guys to throw themselves to her and worship the ground she walks on. So I think Missy should be the true love interest for Timmy, besides everybody on Tumblr are shipping them, heck even I am.
      If everyone on Tumblr decided to jump off a cliff would you? Just b/c other people are doing something doesn't mean you have to follow. People are entitled to thier opinions. FOP has been going downhill for a while now, The live action movies had been getting better ratings and secondly the live action films have yet to be contradicted by the TV Series. So ergo, GUTT, AFOC and AFOS are considered to be cannon. Hate to burst your little bubble there. And people still pair Timmy with Vicky when the two CLEARLY don't like each other, but like I said everyone is entitled to thier opinion. And honestly you shouldn't bash other people's pairings.

      What do you mean the live action films have yet to be contradicted by the series? The live action films HAVE been contradicted by the series.

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    • Heeha you are right about Missy,Tootie,and Trixie.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I still really hope that Missy is really just a one time love interest. Not one that actually replaces the real ones, Trixie and Tootie. If this season ends up having zero Trixie (aside from her mention) or Tootie appearances, and expecially another appearance of Missy (or a whole other new girl), I am just going to think that these writers are totally hopeless. I just don't see why they would do something THAT STUPID. I wish they would just LISTEN TO US!!!

      I still wish that the FOP cast would just come over here on this wiki, and learn something. I mean, why are they being so rude to us? Why can't they just listen to us, instead of pretending as if we don't even exist? Maybe this show could get better if they get a little knowledge about what is going on, by interacting with us, and listening too.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I still really hope that Missy is really just a one time love interest. Not one that actually replaces the real ones, Trixie and Tootie. If this season ends up having zero Trixie (aside from her mention) or Tootie appearances, and expecially another appearance of Missy (or a whole other new girl), I am just going to think that these writers are totally hopeless. I just don't see why they would do something THAT STUPID. I wish they would just LISTEN TO US!!!
      I still wish that the FOP cast would just come over here on this wiki, and learn something. I mean, why are they being so rude to us? Why can't they just listen to us, instead of pretending as if we don't even exist? Maybe this show could get better if they get a little knowledge about what is going on, by interacting with us, and listening too.

      To be fair, constantly complaining about how bad the show is a bit rude.

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    • No.... Not with this season.

      Nobody in their right mind should be showing any acceptance to the product Hartman's studio is putting out right now.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      No.... Not with this season.

      Nobody in their right mind should be showing any acceptance to the product Hartman's studio is putting out right now.

      Well...as long as it makes money, it'll continue. The same goes for pretty much every televsion show in the world, regardless of quality.

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    • You are right again Heeha because people just want to make money and they just want to continue it too.

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    • Okay guys, I checked the credits of Finding Emo and I found out that Missy's voiced by someone called "Dannah Phirman".
      Fénykép0772
      (Maybe some of you are interested in it)
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    • Oh no, Crocker is in the episode. 

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Oh no, Crocker is in the episode. 

      Well not really. As far as I saw the episode it has nothing to do with Crocker in it. Not even a single cameo. Maybe it's a mistake.

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    • Jennus wrote:
      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Oh no, Crocker is in the episode. 
      Well not really. As far as I saw the episode it has nothing to do with Crocker in it. Not even a single cameo. Maybe it's a mistake.

      I hope so, because he has become really annoying lately.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Jennus wrote:
      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Oh no, Crocker is in the episode. 
      Well not really. As far as I saw the episode it has nothing to do with Crocker in it. Not even a single cameo. Maybe it's a mistake.
      I hope so, because he has become really annoying lately.

      Yes, I have watched the several times and I have not noticed Crocker in it.

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    • Heeha wrote:                                                                                                        Yes, I have watched the several times and I have not noticed Crocker in it.

      Good, because as I said on the other thread; he has been overused A LOT lately.

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    • Cool.

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    • On Missy's page, I've noticed that it said she was mentioned in Anchor's Away. Is that true?

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      On Missy's page, I've noticed that it said she was mentioned in Anchor's Away. Is that true?

      Never mind, she wasn't actually mentioned, just her name was said (when Cosmo called Timmy "Missy"). That was close. If Missy does become a regular appearing character, and Tootie and Trixie stop appearing, this show would be D E A D.

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    • I don't understand why. I know people missing Tootie and Trixie but Missy is like a mix of them. I think it's just too late to put her in the show. And well, I guess it can be counted as a mention, because Timmy reacted like Cosmo called him the wrong person. (I think... I wasn't really understand what he said after Cosmo called him "Missy".)

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    • Yes Missy is mentioned in Achor's Away.

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    • Jennus wrote:
      I don't understand why. I know people missing Tootie and Trixie but Missy is like a mix of them. I think it's just too late to put her in the show. And well, I guess it can be counted as a mention, because Timmy reacted like Cosmo called him the wrong person. (I think... I wasn't really understand what he said after Cosmo called him "Missy".)

      But Anchors Away was before Finding Emo.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      Jennus wrote:
      I don't understand why. I know people missing Tootie and Trixie but Missy is like a mix of them. I think it's just too late to put her in the show. And well, I guess it can be counted as a mention, because Timmy reacted like Cosmo called him the wrong person. (I think... I wasn't really understand what he said after Cosmo called him "Missy".)
      But Anchors Away was before Finding Emo.

      It still can be a reference to her. Maybe Timmy already knew her before he even told it to Cosmo and Wanda.

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    • Maybe you are right Jennus.

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    • I don't know, maybe Anchors Away was sopposed to take place after Finding Emo. But most likely, Cosmo just called Timmy missy, because he is an idiot.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I don't know, maybe Anchors Away was sopposed to take place after Finding Emo. But most likely, Cosmo just called Timmy missy, because he is an idiot.

      Cosmo said that right after he was attacked by a fox. The fox attack seemed to make him dizzy and dumber than usual.

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    • I still have the opinion that Missy was mentioned. I dunno. Maybe it's just me, but I think Timmy knew Missy was someone else, but if most people say it's not even a mention then delete it from her appearance list.

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    • The mention of Missy in Anchor's Away is not a reference to her name, rather its just using "missy" as a pet word. If anything, it just spotlights how horribly uncreative Missy's name is along with everything else about her aside her design.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      The mention of Missy in Anchor's Away is not a reference to her name, rather its just using "missy" as a pet word. If anything, it just spotlights how horribly uncreative Missy's name is along with everything else about her aside her design.

      Exactly. I'm sure the writers could of thought of something MUCH better. I meam, if you're going to give a character a name, either use a real name or think of somehting creative. Don't just use a petname for it. Oh well.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote: I still really hope that Missy is really just a one time love interest. Not one that actually replaces the real ones, Trixie and Tootie. If this season ends up having zero Trixie (aside from her mention) or Tootie appearances, and expecially another appearance of Missy (or a whole other new girl), I am just going to think that these writers are totally hopeless. I just don't see why they would do something THAT STUPID. I wish they would just LISTEN TO US!!!

      I'm agree with you. That addition is just another mistake in the show. I mean, it's just too late. I also think that Trixie is prettier than Missy, not sure about it. But what I'm really sure about is that is too late to add another love interest for Timmy.

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    • I agree too. The writers introducing Missy is proof that they don't care about us fans, because they should know we really care about Trixie and Tootie. Missy being a one-time character would be different, and also remember that Butch said Trixie was an important character in the interview, bringing the fact that Hartman cares about Trixie closer to reality. But introducing a whole new love interest replacing Trixie dosen't seem to make sense in that matter.

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I agree too. The writers introducing Missy is proof that they don't care about us fans, because they should know we really care about Trixie and Tootie. Missy being a one-time character would be different, and also remember that Butch said Trixie was an important character in the interview, bringing the fact that Hartman cares about Trixie closer to reality. But introducing a whole new love interest replacing Trixie dosen't seem to make sense in that matter.

      If Trixie was important, she wouldn't be slingshooting Timmy out of her house like a rock. Yeah, I know some of these choices are bad, but I just recently watched Adventure Time, the show that made even more harsh decisions. And trust me when I said Adventure Time jumps the shark so many times that it's not funny.

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    • Hartman doesn't seem to really care about the personality of a character, and changes it around a lot. He did it to Mr. Crocker majorly, and we all know he thinks he is an important character. On the interview, Hartman clearly said he thought Trixie was important character. The point is that Hartman likes the whole FOP cast, but just likes Cosmo, Mr. Turner, and Crocker the best. Thus, he thinks they should get the most appearances, which in general is WRONG. Butch should think about what his fans want, and not what he wants.

      By the way, retconning has been going on in shows since the beginning of filmmaking. I wouldn't be shocked by it.

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    • Right now, Missy is the best possible love interest. Sure she's a bit of a Mary-Sue who seems like she belongs to the world ans isway out of Timmy's league, but this girl actually likes him, and is stable about it. In regards to Timmy's other love ships, Trixie was flanderized into a bitch and Tootie is just way too crazy (and embarrassing). As for the whole Channel Chasers thing, let's just forget that future ever happened. Continuity isn't something that is revered on this show. After so many asspulls and insane logic, given the show's spastic nature, why should ANY "future" be confirmed as canon (especially if you want to keep your viewers for the duration of how much longer you want to run this series to the ground). And speaking of future, that also goes for the Grow Up, Timmy Turner films (and now we're getting a THIRD one). The live-action films were a bad idea to begin with. Tootie isn't even in character, because that isn't even Tootie! It's just Trina Vega/Daniella Monet, one Nickelodeon's familiar celebrity names, who was renamed "Tootie"! They're just using familiar Nickelodeon co-stars from their usual overrated shows. Do they honesty expect us to believe that the children from Fairly OddParents become THESE teenagers? Do they expect us to believe that Timmy will grow up to be Drake Bell (from Drake & Josh)? No. Besides, this series was never meant to portrayed in live-action. No one in real-life would be able to emulate the zany quirks of the characters in the show without looking awkward and stupid. 

      But still, Missy has a chance of being the first normal character and decent friend to Timmy, especially since everyone else (save his fairies) are unfaithful jerkasses to him. But Nickelodeon will probably find some way to dick with us and screw that up too. But its nice to finally have something nice in the series, and Missy is it. Throw the Dog a Bone.

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    • Oh gosh, thank you so much for this. You put all my feelings into words.

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    • And hey, she doesn't even need to be an endgame love interest, she could just be Timmy's friend. And boy, does that boy need more friends.

      I really hope that she'll reappear in future episodes and maybe get some character development too. I see a lot of potential in this character, and dare I say she might even change the series for the better. Come on guys, be a little more open-minded. Give her a chance.

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    • I give her a chance a long ago and if Missy would appear then it would be Trixie and Tootie jelous or if they don't apear anymore then his going to be timmy's girlfriend who knows maybe she could apear in the future or maybe not.....

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    • weel tootie could be jelous but trixie is jelous because she could say for example tymmy that she's pretty then her wich will make her amazed or broken or even gasping.

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    • I agree with Rue Sinclair about Missy.

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    • I can't believe the writers. First they get rid of characters like Blonda and Norm. Then characters like the Pixies and Mama Cosma. Then introduce Foop, and flanderize Anti-Cosmo out of existence, and when he just had his time to appear, they replace him with new ones. Now the writers replace Trixie!!?? That's the last straw, Butch and the crew have gone INSANE!!!! They barely think when they write these episodes, and overdose Crocker, Mr. Turner, and Foop. And just when you think an underused character is about to appear, THEY INTRODUCE A NEW ONE!!!!!!

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    • Whoa, whoa, whoa. Calm down, guy. No one can possibly replace Trixie and her Alpha Bitchness, especially not Missy. Butch Hartman said she isn't out of the show, remember? Just... easy.

      I do agree that they shouldn't use Crocker, Mr. Turner, and Foop so much and bring back some of the older ones, though. But to call the writers insane is going a bit too far, especially when the flanderzation of the main cast was largely reversed ever since Poof came onto scene.

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    • Watch your language, but anyway, there are FOP threads on Toonzone which consist of Lord Beckett, and several other users, talking about how bad the show has been recently. Their criticism, in my opinion, has gone a little too far, and I think it is rubbing off on me. So maybe I exaggerated a little bit during my posts.

      Now in reality, the show really has been bad recently, and seems to be getting worse. What I think is that the writers are getting off guard, since the show has been running for so long. Quality drop is a normal symptom of long-running shows, so I'm trying my best to accept these new FOP episodes. Throughout all of the ones that have aired this week, some underused characters surfaced a little. We got to see Doug Dimmadome in "A Boy and His Dog-Boy", and Juandissimo did show up in "The Past and the Furious". Though, Vicky was absent in ALL 7 episodes that had aired this week, and this year. Crocker has taken over almost all of her roles, and that is hard to accept. Remember back in the first 3 seasons when she was a regular? Did you also know that Crocker only had FIVE appearances in season 3? Now he is appearing in 1/3 of all episodes. As of now, we know that Vicky is getting only FOUR appearances in season 9.

      And back to Trixie, Butch said at the interview that Trixie was an important character, and that he hoped she would appear in this season. I don't know about that, because more than half the season has already aired, and this includes other countries. Since everybody on this wiki is from around the world, and hadn't mentioned any appearance of Trixie in the non-US-aired episodes, that means a WHOLE half season of no Trixie. Trixie COULD show up in one or two of the new-to-us-all episodes, so there is still hope that Trixie could show up in Season 9 (This also accounts for Tootie).

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote: I can't believe the writers. First they get rid of characters like Blonda and Norm. Then characters like the Pixies and Mama Cosma. Then introduce Foop, and flanderize Anti-Cosmo out of existence, and when he just had his time to appear, they replace him with new ones. Now the writers replace Trixie!!?? That's the last straw, Butch and the crew have gone INSANE!!!! They barely think when they write these episodes, and overdose Crocker, Mr. Turner, and Foop. And just when you think an underused character is about to appear, THEY INTRODUCE A NEW ONE!!!!!!

      I can't agree more! Butch Hartman isn't working on the cartoon anymore! :-( All the episodes are now written by Wincat Alcala, Ray DeLaurentis, Will Schifrin, etc. and directed by Gary Conrad and Michelle Bryan, but Butch Hartman isn't directing episodes anymore and he's not writing any of them. He just leaves the new episodes in hands of the moronic writers and the retarded directors and lets them do what they want with the show. Seriously dude, this show is going DOWNHILL and no one from the crew seems to care a little bit! I think I'm going to do a "virtual strike", if you know what I mean. If anyone wants to join, you can do it!

      Vickygetsfired253

      TO THE CHARGE!

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    • Kid Sonic wrote: Right now, Missy is the best possible love interest. Sure she's a bit of a Mary-Sue who seems like she belongs to the world ans isway out of Timmy's league, but this girl actually likes him, and is stable about it.

      As for the whole Channel Chasers thing, let's just forget that future ever happened. Continuity isn't something that is revered on this show.

      Aside from that you're swearing like a sailor in your post and using terms from that horrid TvTropes site, I must point out that there is a major point of hypocrisy in your post, mainly about Tootie. She became "too perfect" in the live action movies, and was nothing like her childhood self, yet at the same time you praise Missy for being a Mary Sue and having no flaws. In other words, it's a bad thing when they attempt to change a character for the better, but a good thing when they replace her entirely with the same thing.

      Sorry people, but we aren't going to toss away beloved storylines like the Channel Chasers ending just so a pile of poo idea like Missy and usurp the role of more popular characters better. She was boring, literally one of the worst characters this show has ever had, even Megan Bacon in her two minute scene as a ten year old was a funnier character and, aside from the real age difference, would've been a better love interest than some dreadful attempt at a Snow White parody.

      FOP fans, it's time for you to stop being so meek. Stop allowing yourself to be FORCEFED this type of dung, and email/tweet/write/threaten Butch Hartman whenever you can to make him bring back characters fans actually care about.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:

      Kid Sonic wrote: Right now, Missy is the best possible love interest. Sure she's a bit of a Mary-Sue who seems like she belongs to the world ans isway out of Timmy's league, but this girl actually likes him, and is stable about it.

      As for the whole Channel Chasers thing, let's just forget that future ever happened. Continuity isn't something that is revered on this show.

      Aside from that you're swearing like a sailor in your post and using terms from that horrid TvTropes site, I must point out that there is a major point of hypocrisy in your post, mainly about Tootie. She became "too perfect" in the live action movies, and was nothing like her childhood self, yet at the same time you praise Missy for being a Mary Sue and having no flaws. In other words, it's a bad thing when they attempt to change a character for the better, but a good thing when they replace her entirely with the same thing.

      Sorry people, but we aren't going to toss away beloved storylines like the Channel Chasers ending just so a pile of poo idea like Missy and usurp the role of more popular characters better. She was boring, literally one of the worst characters this show has ever had, even Megan Bacon in her two minute scene as a ten year old was a funnier character and, aside from the real age difference, would've been a better love interest than some dreadful attempt at a Snow White parody.

      FOP fans, it's time for you to stop being so meek. Stop allowing yourself to be FORCEFED this type of dung, and email/tweet/write/threaten Butch Hartman whenever you can to make him bring back characters fans actually care about.

      I don't have connection to Butch Hartman, but I can try to talk to people who do.

      By the way, I read that thread on Toonzone that you started, and I saw a FOP cast member on it. His name was James Mortensen, and I noticed how he acknowledged about how we dislike the new episodes. So that could be the first step. Also, I saw today's new episodes (Let Sleeper Dogs Lie/Cat-Astrophe), and I didn't like the first one, since it had a lot of retcons. Though "Cat-Astrophe" was really good, and it reminded me of the old times. I think the writers still have the capability to write good episodes, if they try.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:

      Kid Sonic wrote: Right now, Missy is the best possible love interest. Sure she's a bit of a Mary-Sue who seems like she belongs to the world ans isway out of Timmy's league, but this girl actually likes him, and is stable about it.

      As for the whole Channel Chasers thing, let's just forget that future ever happened. Continuity isn't something that is revered on this show.

      Aside from that you're swearing like a sailor in your post and using terms from that horrid TvTropes site, I must point out that there is a major point of hypocrisy in your post, mainly about Tootie. She became "too perfect" in the live action movies, and was nothing like her childhood self, yet at the same time you praise Missy for being a Mary Sue and having no flaws. In other words, it's a bad thing when they attempt to change a character for the better, but a good thing when they replace her entirely with the same thing.

      Sorry people, but we aren't going to toss away beloved storylines like the Channel Chasers ending just so a pile of poo idea like Missy and usurp the role of more popular characters better. She was boring, literally one of the worst characters this show has ever had, even Megan Bacon in her two minute scene as a ten year old was a funnier character and, aside from the real age difference, would've been a better love interest than some dreadful attempt at a Snow White parody.

      FOP fans, it's time for you to stop being so meek. Stop allowing yourself to be FORCEFED this type of dung, and email/tweet/write/threaten Butch Hartman whenever you can to make him bring back characters fans actually care about.

      You read my mind! I was also thinking about the Butch Hartman thing. I do call it a "virtual strike".

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    • Okay whatever you guys say but I still like the new character Missy because she is different from Trixie and Tootie plus it would be so cool if they got jealous of Missy for being Timmy's girlfriend.

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    • Ah, yes, ad hominem arguements. Truly masters of the art of debate.

      The Channel Chasers ending was discredited the second Poof was born. So what happens now doesn't matter anymore. Also, to say that she "replaces" Tootie and Trixie is to imply they're nothing more than components in your occasionally canon but never fully canon ships. Which is sad but unsurprising.

      Missy has appeared in ONE, 11-minute episode. Her only purpose in that episode was to teach Timmy the value of being yourself. FOP has played with our expectations before; remember the Remy and his parents situation? If (IF AND ONLY IF)Missy is to appear in more episodes, she could absolutely become a more complex character. So to whine and moan and call her a poo and a Mary Sue only from what we've seen so far is moot. And useless. And suspicious. Don't just dissmiss something you don't like without even considering the chance that you might actually LIKE it given development. Look at Flame Princess from AT, she was hated (half the reason being surprise, surprise, SHIPPING ISSUES) at first, now she's one of the most beloved characters in that fandom! And stop, stop, STOP trying to pass off your opinions as the one and only truth.

      Tootie has no excuse for changing so much in the live action movies. She is not a new character, and thus a blank slate like Missy. It's understandable that as an adult, she'd become more mature, but the writers rewired her personality and appearnce beyond recognition. Timmy was putty in her hands the second he oggled her ~new and improved~ look. Tootie should be a better person, but hell, not a DIFFERENT person, you know. Underneath all that creepy obsessiveness is a troubled yet spunky and adorkable girl, not a frickin model. I'm offended on her behalf, actually. And appalled that the movies are even taken seriously at all.

      Furthermore, Tootie and Trixie are kind of trash people. Trixie has treated Timmy like garbage 90% of the time, and I won't even get into "Just The Two Of Us!" Tootie... well, if the genders were reversed, you wouldn't find her behavior so endearing, would you? On the other hand, Timmy has only expressed interest in Trixie and older Monet Tootie because of their beauty. The whole thing is just toxic. But then, here comes along a girl who is beautiful, but has the sweet personality to back up Timmy's crush on her. And surprise, surprise she actually appears to like him back in a healthy, non-violent way! So forgive me if the thought of Timmy being with a girl unlikely to somehow kill him is so uncomfortable.

      (Shippers, not to worry, because this is NOT ruling the possibility of Trixie and Tootie becoming better people, and the love trio not being so toxic. And Missy becoming just a friend.)

      See? Optimism! Not so hard, if you actually lay a hand on it!

      Honestly, all this bitterness all comes off as flimsy justification for something pettier to me. The writers have done a LOT of trash things. Is Missy REALLY the worst thing they've offered? Or is that your Cupid's arrows talking?

      Admit it, you hate her because she gets in the way of of your ship, and y'all lash out and overexaggerate in response.

      I agree that the writers have been pretty lame for a while, and that Tootie and Trixie should appear more. But. God. If this "triangle" really is the only thing most of this fandom cares about, then why should this show even continue at all?

      ((It's 4 am in the morning, I'm tired, I'm irritated, and I'm just trying to explain why this debate seems so off to me in the best way I can right now and y'all sound like smart people but please be more open-minded and if I recieve any hate. Well. Good on me, and good on you.))

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote: Ah, yes, ad hominem arguements. Truly masters of the art of debate.

      The Channel Chasers ending was discredited the second Poof was born. So what happens now doesn't matter anymore. Also, to say that she "replaces" Tootie and Trixie is to imply they're nothing more than components in your occasionally canon but never fully canon ships. Which is sad but unsurprising.

      Missy has appeared in ONE, 11-minute episode. Her only purpose in that episode was to teach Timmy the value of being yourself. FOP has played with our expectations before; remember the Remy and his parents situation? If (IF AND ONLY IF)Missy is to appear in more episodes, she could absolutely become a more complex character. So to whine and moan and call her a poo and a Mary Sue only from what we've seen so far is moot. And useless. And suspicious. Don't just dissmiss something you don't like without even considering the chance that you might actually LIKE it given development. Look at Flame Princess from AT, she was hated (half the reason being surprise, surprise, SHIPPING ISSUES) at first, now she's one of the most beloved characters in that fandom! And stop, stop, STOP trying to pass off your opinions as the one and only truth.

      Tootie has no excuse for changing so much in the live action movies. She is not a new character, and thus a blank slate like Missy. It's understandable that as an adult, she'd become more mature, but the writers rewired her personality and appearnce beyond recognition. Timmy was putty in her hands the second he oggled her ~new and improved~ look. Tootie should be a better person, but hell, not a DIFFERENT person, you know. Underneath all that creepy obsessiveness is a troubled yet spunky and adorkable girl, not a frickin model. I'm offended on her behalf, actually. And appalled that the movies are even taken seriously at all.

      Furthermore, Tootie and Trixie are kind of trash people. Trixie has treated Timmy like garbage 90% of the time, and I won't even get into "Just The Two Of Us!" Tootie... well, if the genders were reversed, you wouldn't find her behavior so endearing, would you? On the other hand, Timmy has only expressed interest in Trixie and older Monet Tootie because of their beauty. The whole thing is just toxic. But then, here comes along a girl who is beautiful, but has the sweet personality to back up Timmy's crush on her. And surprise, surprise she actually appears to like him back in a healthy, non-violent way! So forgive me if the thought of Timmy being with a girl unlikely to somehow kill him is so uncomfortable.

      (Shippers, not to worry, because this is NOT ruling the possibility of Trixie and Tootie becoming better people, and the love trio not being so toxic. And Missy becoming just a friend.)

      See? Optimism! Not so hard, if you actually lay a hand on it!

      Honestly, all this bitterness all comes off as flimsy justification for something pettier to me. The writers have done a LOT of trash things. Is Missy REALLY the worst thing they've offered? Or is that your Cupid's arrows talking?

      Admit it, you hate her because she gets in the way of of your ship, and y'all lash out and overexaggerate in response.

      I agree that the writers have been pretty lame for a while, and that Tootie and Trixie should appear more. But. God. If this "triangle" really is the only thing most of this fandom cares about, then why should this show even continue at all?

      ((It's 4 am in the morning, I'm tired, I'm irritated, and I'm just trying to explain why this debate seems so off to me in the best way I can right now and y'all sound like smart people but please be more open-minded and if I recieve any hate. Well. Good on me, and good on you.))

      You know what, Rue Sinclair? Your words touched my bones and my heart! But you know what happens? Missy herself is not the problem, the continuity in the series is currently discarded little-by-little after each NEW EPISODE airs, and that DOESN'T EVEN make sense at all! You can't first say ANY THING and then SAY ANOTHER! It's absolutely pointless! I know all of that you're saying, the social integration, the Adventure Time stuff, etc, but it's completely stupid that the writers of a show change something SO IMPORTANT to it (like the Channel Chasers ending, which determines what kind of future is awaiting for Timmy, who is THE PROTAGONIST of the show. That's unchangeable) and then introduce a new character like if it never happened! What's DONE it's DONE and that's HOW it should keep! I repeat, and I want you to record it in your brain, I understand all the things you say, but what the writers done is just pointless! Now getting back to Missy, if she appears again or if her personality has something that can interrupt the continuity of the show even more than how interrupted it is now, the show is just DOOMED! Yes, you heard me, DOOMED! Now, to conclude this reply post, if you're going to say something, you should look yourself at a mirror and think about what is LOGIC. You then have to think which are the LOGICAL THINGS in a show and which are UNLOGICAL.
      Smartypants1

      THINK!

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    • Roman.disalvo.9 wrote:

      Rue Sinclair wrote: Ah, yes, ad hominem arguements. Truly masters of the art of debate.

      The Channel Chasers ending was discredited the second Poof was born. So what happens now doesn't matter anymore. Also, to say that she "replaces" Tootie and Trixie is to imply they're nothing more than components in your occasionally canon but never fully canon ships. Which is sad but unsurprising.

      Missy has appeared in ONE, 11-minute episode. Her only purpose in that episode was to teach Timmy the value of being yourself. FOP has played with our expectations before; remember the Remy and his parents situation? If (IF AND ONLY IF)Missy is to appear in more episodes, she could absolutely become a more complex character. So to whine and moan and call her a poo and a Mary Sue only from what we've seen so far is moot. And useless. And suspicious. Don't just dissmiss something you don't like without even considering the chance that you might actually LIKE it given development. Look at Flame Princess from AT, she was hated (half the reason being surprise, surprise, SHIPPING ISSUES) at first, now she's one of the most beloved characters in that fandom! And stop, stop, STOP trying to pass off your opinions as the one and only truth.

      Tootie has no excuse for changing so much in the live action movies. She is not a new character, and thus a blank slate like Missy. It's understandable that as an adult, she'd become more mature, but the writers rewired her personality and appearnce beyond recognition. Timmy was putty in her hands the second he oggled her ~new and improved~ look. Tootie should be a better person, but hell, not a DIFFERENT person, you know. Underneath all that creepy obsessiveness is a troubled yet spunky and adorkable girl, not a frickin model. I'm offended on her behalf, actually. And appalled that the movies are even taken seriously at all.

      Furthermore, Tootie and Trixie are kind of trash people. Trixie has treated Timmy like garbage 90% of the time, and I won't even get into "Just The Two Of Us!" Tootie... well, if the genders were reversed, you wouldn't find her behavior so endearing, would you? On the other hand, Timmy has only expressed interest in Trixie and older Monet Tootie because of their beauty. The whole thing is just toxic. But then, here comes along a girl who is beautiful, but has the sweet personality to back up Timmy's crush on her. And surprise, surprise she actually appears to like him back in a healthy, non-violent way! So forgive me if the thought of Timmy being with a girl unlikely to somehow kill him is so uncomfortable.

      (Shippers, not to worry, because this is NOT ruling the possibility of Trixie and Tootie becoming better people, and the love trio not being so toxic. And Missy becoming just a friend.)

      See? Optimism! Not so hard, if you actually lay a hand on it!

      Honestly, all this bitterness all comes off as flimsy justification for something pettier to me. The writers have done a LOT of trash things. Is Missy REALLY the worst thing they've offered? Or is that your Cupid's arrows talking?

      Admit it, you hate her because she gets in the way of of your ship, and y'all lash out and overexaggerate in response.

      I agree that the writers have been pretty lame for a while, and that Tootie and Trixie should appear more. But. God. If this "triangle" really is the only thing most of this fandom cares about, then why should this show even continue at all?

      ((It's 4 am in the morning, I'm tired, I'm irritated, and I'm just trying to explain why this debate seems so off to me in the best way I can right now and y'all sound like smart people but please be more open-minded and if I recieve any hate. Well. Good on me, and good on you.))

      You know what, Rue Sinclair? Your words touched my bones and my heart! But you know what happens? Missy herself is not the problem, the continuity in the series is currently discarded little-by-little after each NEW EPISODE airs, and that DOESN'T EVEN make sense at all! You can't first say ANY THING and then SAY ANOTHER! It's absolutely pointless! I know all of that you're saying, the social integration, the Adventure Time stuff, etc, but it's completely stupid that the writers of a show change something SO IMPORTANT to it (like the Channel Chasers ending, which determines what kind of future is awaiting for Timmy, who is THE PROTAGONIST of the show. That's unchangeable) and then introduce a new character like if it never happened! What's DONE it's DONE and that's HOW it should keep! I repeat, and I want you to record it in your brain, I understand all the things you say, but what the writers done is just pointless! Now getting back to Missy, if she appears again or if her personality has something that can interrupt the continuity of the show even more than how interrupted it is now, the show is just DOOMED! Yes, you heard me, DOOMED! Now, to conclude this reply post, if you're going to say something, you should look yourself at a mirror and think about what is LOGIC. You then have to think which are the LOGICAL THINGS in a show and which are UNLOGICAL.
      Smartypants1

      THINK!

      Now I think you're overracting. That Channel Chasers ending is very changeable. Very changeable. It's not something at all. It gives a quick 2 minute look into what Timmy's future might be like and in all honestly, it wasn't that great. The episode itself was great but that future bit. I have serious doubts that Timmy would forget all about Vicky and hire a DANGEROUS ROBOT to babysit his kids. He's not THAT dumb. Most of the time, whenever a future timeline is seen in a show, it's usually non-canon as lots of different futures will be shown later and in overall doesn't really matter.

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    • Adding onto that, thank you for blatantly ignoring my point in the most hard-headed way possible and proving it.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote:

      Ah, yes, ad hominem arguements. Truly masters of the art of debate.

      ....But... no one insult you.... In fact most of us have been trying to keep the language here clean, considering it's a site about a children's cartoon and what not.

      The Channel Chasers ending was discredited the second Poof was born. So what happens now doesn't matter anymore. Also, to say that she "replaces" Tootie and Trixie is to imply they're nothing more than components in your occasionally canon but never fully canon ships. Which is sad but unsurprising.

      Sorry, but this is a load of bollocks. Nothing disproves Channel Chasers until Hartman comes out with a letter written in orphan's blood stating it was retconned, and signed under supervision of police officers, medical officials, and psychologists to make sure he isn't drugged/under duress/insane while he is doing it. Otherwise, I'll file all attempts to discredit Channel Chasers under "fan panic" or "shipping ulterior motives".

      Missy has appeared in ONE, 11-minute episode. Her only purpose in that episode was to teach Timmy the value of being yourself.

      Tootie already did it. Trixie too.

      FOP has played with our expectations before; remember the Remy and his parents situation? If (IF AND ONLY IF)Missy is to appear in more episodes, she could absolutely become a more complex character. So to whine and moan and call her a poo and a Mary Sue only from what we've seen so far is moot. And useless. And suspicious. Don't just dissmiss something you don't like without even considering the chance that you might actually LIKE it given development. Look at Flame Princess from AT, she was hated (half the reason being surprise, surprise, SHIPPING ISSUES) at first, now she's one of the most beloved characters in that fandom! And stop, stop, STOP trying to pass off your opinions as the one and only truth.

      The problem with Missy, and why she doesn't need to exist, and why her storyline is a pile of poo, is because instead of gradually having the other girls warm up to Timmy or vice versa in their ways, they opted to have this overdesigned character appear out of nowhere and literally steal away Timmy over the course of an 11 minute episode which was riddled with plot holes. She is not a good role model. She spends the entire episode bouncing from boy to boy until finally settling for Timmy. That the viewer knows little to nothing about this character as you said is exactly why rushing her into such a position was a mistake by Hackman.

      Tootie has no excuse for changing so much in the live action movies. She is not a new character, and thus a blank slate like Missy. It's understandable that as an adult, she'd become more mature, but the writers rewired her personality and appearnce beyond recognition. Timmy was putty in her hands the second he oggled her ~new and improved~ look. Tootie should be a better person, but hell, not a DIFFERENT person, you know. Underneath all that creepy obsessiveness is a troubled yet spunky and adorkable girl, not a frickin model. I'm offended on her behalf, actually. And appalled that the movies are even taken seriously at all.

      Tootie's movie character's personality is fine. She loves Timmy. She's smart. She acts about as "zany" as every other B-lister in those movies is able to act. They give her new shirts and skirts to wear and dropped her glasses, but it's not like she is suddenly shunning Timmy or acting cruel like her sister. This detraction of Tootie, always coming from shippers, is focused entirely on the fact that Hartman literally did what Tootie's naysayers say could never be done, make her calm and less annoying. She was one of several small successes in a series of movies that are a huge fail, that's suffering enough without the shippers screaming her down.

      Tootie... well, if the genders were reversed, you wouldn't find her behavior so endearing, would you?

      We already have a character like that.

      That and I never bought into the stalker thing being a huge serious problem. Timmy is whining and being melodramatic as usual because a girl that basically lives right next door to him followed him home once or twice.

      (Shippers, not to worry, because this is NOT ruling the possibility of Trixie and Tootie becoming better people,

      But when they do, we'll try and claim their character changes were "too much" and thus non-canon.

      The writers have done a LOT of trash things. Is Missy REALLY the worst thing they've offered? Or is that your Cupid's arrows talking?

      Actually, it really was. From not just a cartoon fan standpoint, but a business standpoint, why are they creating a romantic plot which conflicts with their live action series, which is actually the more popular rating-wise series at this point? It was the dumbest decision they made this season by far, even dumber than Sparky. At least Sparky can pull episodes with over 2million viewers.

      Admit it, you hate her because she gets in the way of of your ship, and y'all lash out and overexaggerate in response.

      I agree that the writers have been pretty lame for a while, and that Tootie and Trixie should appear more. But. God. If this "triangle" really is the only thing most of this fandom cares about, then why should this show even continue at all

      Yeah, really, they should've stuck with Tootie. They've gone too far down the rabbit hole with her at this point and adding a character like Missy isn't just a step backward, its straight up getting Wallmaster'd back to the start of the dungeon.

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    • 1. First of all, I wasn't referring to myself, but rather the way you just insulted the other user's TvTrope term usage to make your argument look bigger. Do not. Ever. Demean someone for whatever sites they like to use. Do not. Ever. Do that.

      2. Good god you're bullheaded. I could point out the many, many times the show has discredited itself in cold, hard blood but that will never change, will it? Fine. Hang on to your fragile Season 4 gem.

      3. And look how many episodes of that are! You'd think one or two would be enough, right? But no, there are several. This Missy episode is redundant because of it's "be yourself" message, but it would've been even more so had it used Trixie or Tootie. Then again, to say it was unecssary is kind of... unecessary. Irrelevance isn't exactly a unique sin for FOP episodes.

      (Frankly, it was very, very standard aside from the whole Missy issue, but I digress.)

      4. Perhaps, but she's more of a role model than Trixie and Tootie will ever be. Of course, she is not a particularly good one, but to say that would mean admitting she's not the total Mary Sue, would it? Without shipper goggles on, this would mean she has potential to become an interesting character, though she might not even HAVE another appearance. If not, well, that's the end of that, then! No point in crying about it further. So don't take it out on Missy because you didn't get what you want- blame the writers.

      ((And MAAAAYYYBE the reason why the writers haven't made T&T warm up to Timmy over the show, or even have them appear is... just a thought, get this, it's unbelieveable. The love triangle. Is toxic. And annoying (regardig to how it was handled). And all emcompassing of the fandom of a show which is SO MUCH MORE than it! I don't blame them for ignoring the girls. Not that I approve of them doing so, but still. I would've personally LOVED to watch T&T become better people like that, but if I was a writer having to deal with a fandom obsessed with the tiny, badly written love triangle of my younger days, I'd lose my mind. The show is The Fairly Odd Parents, not How I Met Your Unstable Mother. Maybe they wanted the fans to just stop caring about the triangle so dang much?))

      5. You probably have a point about the personality, since I was irritated at 4 am when I wrote that, and I have forcibly removed most of that movie from my memory up until now, so thanks for the painful reminder. She's still unrecognizeable to me though.

      6. Oh my GOD Timmy is not even close to Tootie's level of creepy are you kidding me. Also, not seeing it as a huge problem IS a huge problem. Timmy isn't being melodramatic, the girl literally has him plastered on every single one of her walls, and has countless knicknacks of his visage! She wants to marry him for no apparent reason! It's never even explained- at least Timmy like Trixie's beauty. It's flimsy but it's something. She has next to no respect for his personal space, or his consent. Timmy has run away from her several times, but she never gets the memo. It makes perfect sense for Timmy to dislike Tootie following him home TWICE. Trust me, it's a huge problem.

      7. GRADUALLY. That's the key, it has to happen over time, and we have to actuall SEE that progress, or it will feel cheap.

      8. Except. She has appeared in only one, short episode, out of the ENTIRE series. So currently, she is totally harmless to the business. If the movies really are doing that well, then what's one, measly episode gonna do? Negative continuity reigns supreme over this show. The only "harm" she's doing is igniting hurt shippers' feelings.

      9. I love how you didn't try to disprove that former point.


      TL;DR Overall, Missy isn't really that bad, and this whole thread is ultimately a just a huge exaggerating, melodramatic, misplaced tantrum. And shipping issues or whatever.

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    • I guess the point of the whole frustration towards Missy is because the show has built a huge cast of characters fans care for, and after S6, 85% of that have vanished considerably. Episodes now focus only on Timmy and the fairies, Crocker, Dad and - sometimes - Jorgen. When a story opens possibility to use one of the characters people miss - like Tootie or Trixie - they instead decide to add a random out-of-nowhere new character. So people will obviously complain.

      I didn't read all the discussion above, so this is only my point of view.

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    • Understandable. But really, no need to blow it up to proportions it isn't worth. I guess I'm just not feeling sympathetic right now.

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    • Kid Sonic wrote:
      But still, Missy has a chance of being the first normal character and decent friend to Timmy, especially since everyone else (save his fairies) are unfaithful jerkasses to him.

      Even them (his fairies) are jerks toward Timmy sometimes.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote: Adding onto that, thank you for blatantly ignoring my point in the most hard-headed way possible and proving it.

      Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait a second! There's no need to answer me like that, just calm down girl. I was trying, though discovering later that that was stupid, to be reasonable. It's not something that you must hot-temper about...Just CALM DOWN.

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    • Rue Sinclair needs to calm down. You keep saying that people are committing ad hominem, while you continue to lay the hurt into anyone who replies to you and passing it off as being "irritable". Geez, take a smoke break, then maybe you'll be calm enough for discussing a cartoon.

      I know you like Missy, but are the reasons really because she is a "good role model" and all that other jazz? Her personality is dull and dry, she has no unique character tic, she spent most of her introduction episode trying to get into every boy in her school's pants, and she is a poor man's attempt at replacing two beloved characters who were already woefully underused at this point. There was no logic that went into the making of her episode, which had more plot holes and discontinuity in it than any live action movie had. She came out of nowhere and had no real explanation as to why she was suddenly in Timmy's school other than she was a new girl, we don't know where she came from, it was literally like I was watching someone's self insert. If she exists for the sole reason of being for people who couldn't decide between Tootie or Trixie, that makes her even more of a cheap character in my opinion. I don't want you to think I'm insulting her, aside from being somewhat overdesigned she's not an eyesore like Sparky or anything, but aside from fangirls projecting themselves onto her, I don't see how she even belongs in the story.

      Compare that to Megan Bacon. She was actually funny even in the relatively brief period she showed up. Grey Delisle did a masterful job at injecting some personality into a background character that will likely never appear again, something Missy's voice actress was unable to do. Megan was actually able to be tied into FOP's canon with Cake and Bacon quite easily. They at least TRIED a small enough of a bit that the character felt like she was a part of the FOP universe now, not some fangirl insert.

      Missy, like her or not, sums up every problem with the later seasons of FOP. She is a quick attention grab, her storyline and character was pieced together with zero effort or coordination with the rest of the show, she is an idea that entertains few and angers many. You can pass these people off as "Bitter Shippers!!" and what not, but these bitter shippers are right to be annoyed, as alfa9 pointed out, there are plenty of loyal fans who aren't here for Crocker and Cosmo hitting each other over the heads with mallets for 30 minutes, and when something like this comes along, eyes roll en masse and the viewership has plunged to the lowest level Fairly OddParents has ever seen. So, from both the point of a fan and from the realist view of this show's continued survival, Missy was one of the four horsemen of the aFOPalypse, along with Sparky, Catman being voiced by a scrub, and Speaking Poof.

      As for Tootie, her wrongdoings to Timmy have always been miniscule in comparison to how she remains loyal to Timmy and has, at various times, staked her own neck for his well being. It's easy to not be bothered by ridiculous trivial things like the pictures in Timmy's room, which a wise fan would know were a shout to Helga Pataki, when it's a fun thing about her character and adds to the colorful zaniness of the show, something that Missy was glaringly alien in that regard. Tootie's character perks and previous moments of heroism put her on a mountain top that Missy would take seasons to reach, not over the course of one 11 minute episode. You cannot twist things like "live action movies aren't canon" or "Channel Chasers isn't canon" because, while you may be convincing yourself of these falsehoods, you aren't convincing anyone else. They still show reruns of Channel Chasers all the time, it's not like they burnt every tape and condemned it from history or anything.

      Closing thoughts, Missy has brought no benefit to the show, only made fans more hostile to each other from what I can see, and if there is one thing we can take from her character is that the people who were calling Trixie or Tootie "too shallow" years ago look like as quick to the trigger as those Simpsons Usenet nerds from the 90s.

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    • I said that exact thing once. I also then later explained why, but that does not count.

      Actually, I do not think even care that much about MISSY, just how everyone is treating her like the devil. I just don't think it's warranted for anyone to even HAVE such strong opinions on this minor character. Hate or love. But in this case, it's hate, and there's a whole lot of excess to it. Exaggeration upon exaggeration upon several exaggerations is most of what I'm rereading on this thread. If I seem irrational to any of you, then you can only imagine how you must look like to me in return; I'm not the one using exclamation points every other sentence after all.

      I'm just trying to even it out, and explain why its all unwarranted, but it seems like I got tangled in a bunch of other topics that strayed me away from the main point I was trying to make, and it just went all over the place. I haven't been doing a good job at it, so I apologize for that.

      This is a new experience for me, I have never actually engaged in such an open discussion before. It's pretty fun, reallly. (Strange, I know, but I'm telling the truth!)

      We can agree to disagree. I want to say more things, but from what I see, this will keep going in spirographs if we (or perhaps just I) continue.

      Anyway, I found this website containing Butch Hartman's fan mail address since I know people wanted to contact him: http://www.fanmail.biz/32739.html

      I don't know if this will be of any help, but it's something, I guess?

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    • I agree with Lord Beckett. Trixie and Tootie NEED to appear, and the writers are simply ignoring them. Both of those characters got VERY little development, and all of the development that those 2 girls ever had was ALMOST COMPLETELY ignored after Season 5. Tootie's development was going on mostly throughout seasons 4-5, where we get to see her life at home, and her relationship with her sister, Vicky. In seasons 6 and 7, that GOOD development didn't continue, and now she doesn't even appear in the show anymore.

      Trixie is a different story. She is one of the most important characters in the show, and even BUTCH thinks so. But what Hartman probably doesn't realize is that his STUPID writers are pretending she never existed, and all they did for her was an out-of-character mention in "App Trap", and when it came the time for her to appear, THEY CREATE MISSY! Trixie also got another chance to appear in "Jerk of All Trades", but the stupid writers went right ahead and used NEW RANDOMS instead!

      Another thing I noticed about these new episodes, is that Mr. Crocker is appearing in most of them, and APPEARING WHEN HE HAS NO NEED TO!!!!!

      It is time we all go on those links that Rue Sinclair just posted, and tell Butch Hartman ourselves what has happened to his masterpiece. He may not listen to us, BUT WE'LL MAKE HIM!!!! Come on everybody, click on those links, and make a difference!

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    • I agree but i heard that they're going to be 3 episodes and in the final episodes with 20-26 minutes that in goodbye kiss trixie means that is going to move in and because of that it could be mean that Missy is gonna be in another episodes or ruin tootie personalaty but if he's gonna ruin tootie then the shew is welll RUINEDDD !!!!!!!!

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote: I agree with Lord Beckett. Trixie and Tootie NEED to appear, and the writers are simply ignoring them. Both of those characters got VERY little development, and all of the development that those 2 girls ever had was ALMOST COMPLETELY ignored after Season 5. Tootie's development was going on mostly throughout seasons 4-5, where we get to see her life at home, and her relationship with her sister, Vicky. In seasons 6 and 7, that GOOD development didn't continue, and now she doesn't even appear in the show anymore.

      Trixie is a different story. She is one of the most important characters in the show, and even BUTCH thinks so. But what Hartman probably doesn't realize is that his STUPID writers are pretending she never existed, and all they did for her was an out-of-character mention in "App Trap", and when it came the time for her to appear, THEY CREATE MISSY! Trixie also got another chance to appear in "Jerk of All Trades", but the stupid writers went right ahead and used NEW RANDOMS instead!

      Another thing I noticed about these new episodes, is that Mr. Crocker is appearing in most of them, and APPEARING WHEN HE HAS NO NEED TO!!!!!

      It is time we all go on those links that Rue Sinclair just posted, and tell Butch Hartman ourselves what has happened to his masterpiece. He may not listen to us, BUT WE'LL MAKE HIM!!!! Come on everybody, click on those links, and make a difference!

      I'm not exactly clicking on her links, but I decided to follow Butch on Twitter and already wrote a tweet for him, claiming for him to continue in the crew as the director. So, this is just the beggining of the ending of a cartoon pooping era.

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    • I saw his twitter page, and a realization just hit me: I don't think Hartman is the one behind these bad episodes, I think its those TERRIBLE writers. They are the ones behind all of the mayhem, and it is time we talk to Hartman.

      I think we should all take part in this petition, and write to Butch Hartman about how bad the show has been recently. The problems include:

      1.) Crocker is appearing WAYYY too much. His appearances need to be reduced by at least 25%, and have Vicky appear as the villain instead.

      2.) Chester, A.J., Elmer, and Sanjay are disappearing, and new randoms are being used instead. They need to be used more often, and the creation of new randoms needs to be reduced.

      3.) Many characters are lacking development, and they are desperately needing backstories. While doing this, they also have to keep the continuity strong, and reduce confusion for the viewer.

      4.) Foop needs to stop appearing alone, and Anti-Cosmo, and Anti-Wanda need to be present in his appearances.

      5.) Trixie NEEDS to appear. Introducing Missy was the dumbest idea that has ever been produced in the show, and the writers need to get real.

      6.) Tootie also needs to show up in the show, not just in live action. The writers also need to develop more on her thoughts about Trixie, because that has been a conflict for almost a decade.

      Overall, we must bring these messages to Butch Hartman. If we do that, the show could actually improve. But if he doesn't listen to us, we will use our fandom power to MAKE HIM!!!!!

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    • Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I saw his twitter page, and a realization just hit me: I don't think Hartman is the one behind these bad episodes, I think its those TERRIBLE writers. They are the ones behind all of the mayhem, and it is time we talk to Hartman.

      I think we should all take part in this petition, and write to Butch Hartman about how bad the show has been recently. The problems include:

      1.) Crocker is appearing WAYYY too much. His appearances need to be reduced by at least 25%, and have Vicky appear as the villain instead.

      2.) Chester, A.J., Elmer, and Sanjay are disappearing, and new randoms are being used instead. They need to be used more often, and the creation of new randoms needs to be reduced.

      3.) Many characters are lacking development, and they are desperately needing backstories. While doing this, they also have to keep the continuity strong, and reduce confusion for the viewer.

      4.) Foop needs to stop appearing alone, and Anti-Cosmo, and Anti-Wanda need to be present in his appearances.

      5.) Trixie NEEDS to appear. Introducing Missy was the dumbest idea that has ever been produced in the show, and the writers need to get real.

      6.) Tootie also needs to show up in the show, not just in live action. The writers also need to develop more on her thoughts about Trixie, because that has been a conflict for almost a decade.

      Overall, we must bring these messages to Butch Hartman. If we do that, the show could actually improve. But if he doesn't listen to us, we will use our fandom power to MAKE HIM!!!!!

      I agree with all of these!

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    • Punishcard wrote:

      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I saw his twitter page, and a realization just hit me: I don't think Hartman is the one behind these bad episodes, I think its those TERRIBLE writers. They are the ones behind all of the mayhem, and it is time we talk to Hartman.

      I think we should all take part in this petition, and write to Butch Hartman about how bad the show has been recently. The problems include:

      1.) Crocker is appearing WAYYY too much. His appearances need to be reduced by at least 25%, and have Vicky appear as the villain instead.

      2.) Chester, A.J., Elmer, and Sanjay are disappearing, and new randoms are being used instead. They need to be used more often, and the creation of new randoms needs to be reduced.

      3.) Many characters are lacking development, and they are desperately needing backstories. While doing this, they also have to keep the continuity strong, and reduce confusion for the viewer.

      4.) Foop needs to stop appearing alone, and Anti-Cosmo, and Anti-Wanda need to be present in his appearances.

      5.) Trixie NEEDS to appear. Introducing Missy was the dumbest idea that has ever been produced in the show, and the writers need to get real.

      6.) Tootie also needs to show up in the show, not just in live action. The writers also need to develop more on her thoughts about Trixie, because that has been a conflict for almost a decade.

      Overall, we must bring these messages to Butch Hartman. If we do that, the show could actually improve. But if he doesn't listen to us, we will use our fandom power to MAKE HIM!!!!!

      I agree with all of these!

      Good for you! You're at least one of those who listen to us, and not some fangirl who tries to defend the writers like if the show was still good nowadays and even answering the opposers in a hot tempered way. Or someone who supports that fangirl.

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    • Roman.disalvo.9 wrote:

      Punishcard wrote:

      Fopsb161819 wrote:
      I saw his twitter page, and a realization just hit me: I don't think Hartman is the one behind these bad episodes, I think its those TERRIBLE writers. They are the ones behind all of the mayhem, and it is time we talk to Hartman.

      I think we should all take part in this petition, and write to Butch Hartman about how bad the show has been recently. The problems include:

      1.) Crocker is appearing WAYYY too much. His appearances need to be reduced by at least 25%, and have Vicky appear as the villain instead.

      2.) Chester, A.J., Elmer, and Sanjay are disappearing, and new randoms are being used instead. They need to be used more often, and the creation of new randoms needs to be reduced.

      3.) Many characters are lacking development, and they are desperately needing backstories. While doing this, they also have to keep the continuity strong, and reduce confusion for the viewer.

      4.) Foop needs to stop appearing alone, and Anti-Cosmo, and Anti-Wanda need to be present in his appearances.

      5.) Trixie NEEDS to appear. Introducing Missy was the dumbest idea that has ever been produced in the show, and the writers need to get real.

      6.) Tootie also needs to show up in the show, not just in live action. The writers also need to develop more on her thoughts about Trixie, because that has been a conflict for almost a decade.

      Overall, we must bring these messages to Butch Hartman. If we do that, the show could actually improve. But if he doesn't listen to us, we will use our fandom power to MAKE HIM!!!!!

      I agree with all of these!
      Good for you! You're at least one of those who listen to us, and not some fangirl who tries to defend the writers like if the show was still good nowadays and even answering the opposers in a hot tempered way. Or someone who supports that fangirl.

      Oh come on. If someone likes the show that doesn't make them a fangirl. Just becaus they try to defend the writers that doesn't mean they approve of everything they do. And what's wrong with them answering in a hot tempered way when you haters are NOTHING BUT HOT TEMPERED. I mean, you guys want to THREATEN Butch which is going WAY too far.

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    • Wow, thank you for backhandedly insulting me and anybody who supports me/shares my opinion, assuming things that aren't true about me, and then apologizing for something totally different too late, jolly good show. And if you're going to insult me, at least refer to me directly -actually use my name- don't be weenie about it. If you have any other pent up slights against me, now's the time to release them all in one, big burst. I insist, be my guest.

      Apparently I'm just "some fangirl" who thinks everything the writers do is great and never listens to anyone because I dare try and have a different opinion, and defend it. And trust me, that comment is just one out of several examples of hot-temperedness here.

      Now, don't drag me back into this.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote: Wow, thank you for backhandedly insulting me and anybody who supports me/shares my opinion, assuming things that aren't true about me, and then apologizing for something totally different too late, jolly good show. And if you're going to insult me, at least refer to me directly -actually use my name- don't be weenie about it. If you have any other pent up slights against me, now's the time to release them all in one, big burst. I insist, be my guest.

      Apparently I'm just "some fangirl" who thinks everything the writers do is great and never listens to anyone because I dare try and have a different opinion, and defend it. And trust me, that comment is just one out of several examples of hot-temperedness here.

      Now, don't drag me back into this.

      I said I was sorry. OK? I was in one of my jerkass moments when I wrote that comment. So the problem is not with you. Just sorry.

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    • Missy has made no impression on me whatsoever, she's so plain. If the writers gave her an interesting trait that would clash with Timmy then the pairing might work. But so far she's that 'girl-next-door' kind of character, way too boring if you ask me.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote: Wow, thank you for backhandedly insulting me and anybody who supports me/shares my opinion, assuming things that aren't true about me, and then apologizing for something totally different too late, jolly good show. And if you're going to insult me, at least refer to me directly -actually use my name- don't be weenie about it. If you have any other pent up slights against me, now's the time to release them all in one, big burst. I insist, be my guest.

      Apparently I'm just "some fangirl" who thinks everything the writers do is great and never listens to anyone because I dare try and have a different opinion, and defend it. And trust me, that comment is just one out of several examples of hot-temperedness here.

      Now, don't drag me back into this.

      I didn't mean to call you a fangirl, but rather, Missy is the type of self-insert character that you read from a bad fanfiction. She comes in, steals Timmy from right under everyone's noses, has not a single flaw, every character likes her, nobody mistrusts her, she can do no wrong, she is followed around by singing birds, even her name is uninspired. The only thing that was missing was the scene where Tootie or Trixie show up to serve as a strawman for the author's romantic issues.

      Missy was hopelessly bland in her first appearance. You could argue they might inject some personality into her like they did with Trixie's second episode, but its too late for all this. The show is on it's death bed. Tootie and Trixie have been woefully absent from a season which has featured the likes of Catman, Mr. Bickles, and a Chet Ubetcha-centric episode instead. It's just another factor in the degradation of this show, which is why I'm glad its dying.

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:

      Rue Sinclair wrote: Wow, thank you for backhandedly insulting me and anybody who supports me/shares my opinion, assuming things that aren't true about me, and then apologizing for something totally different too late, jolly good show. And if you're going to insult me, at least refer to me directly -actually use my name- don't be weenie about it. If you have any other pent up slights against me, now's the time to release them all in one, big burst. I insist, be my guest.

      Apparently I'm just "some fangirl" who thinks everything the writers do is great and never listens to anyone because I dare try and have a different opinion, and defend it. And trust me, that comment is just one out of several examples of hot-temperedness here.

      Now, don't drag me back into this.

      I didn't mean to call you a fangirl, but rather, Missy is the type of self-insert character that you read from a bad fanfiction. She comes in, steals Timmy from right under everyone's noses, has not a single flaw, every character likes her, nobody mistrusts her, she can do no wrong, she is followed around by singing birds, even her name is uninspired. The only thing that was missing was the scene where Tootie or Trixie show up to serve as a strawman for the author's romantic issues.

      Missy was hopelessly bland in her first appearance. You could argue they might inject some personality into her like they did with Trixie's second episode, but its too late for all this. The show is on it's death bed. Tootie and Trixie have been woefully absent from a season which has featured the likes of Catman, Mr. Bickles, and a Chet Ubetcha-centric episode instead. It's just another factor in the degradation of this show, which is why I'm glad its dying.

      No, she was talking about me. So don't worry. I deserved it anyways, because I took my frustrations on her instead of taking them into MORE IMPORTANT people.

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    • Roman.disalvo.9 wrote:

      Lord Beckett wrote:

      Rue Sinclair wrote: Wow, thank you for backhandedly insulting me and anybody who supports me/shares my opinion, assuming things that aren't true about me, and then apologizing for something totally different too late, jolly good show. And if you're going to insult me, at least refer to me directly -actually use my name- don't be weenie about it. If you have any other pent up slights against me, now's the time to release them all in one, big burst. I insist, be my guest.

      Apparently I'm just "some fangirl" who thinks everything the writers do is great and never listens to anyone because I dare try and have a different opinion, and defend it. And trust me, that comment is just one out of several examples of hot-temperedness here.

      Now, don't drag me back into this.

      I didn't mean to call you a fangirl, but rather, Missy is the type of self-insert character that you read from a bad fanfiction. She comes in, steals Timmy from right under everyone's noses, has not a single flaw, every character likes her, nobody mistrusts her, she can do no wrong, she is followed around by singing birds, even her name is uninspired. The only thing that was missing was the scene where Tootie or Trixie show up to serve as a strawman for the author's romantic issues.

      Missy was hopelessly bland in her first appearance. You could argue they might inject some personality into her like they did with Trixie's second episode, but its too late for all this. The show is on it's death bed. Tootie and Trixie have been woefully absent from a season which has featured the likes of Catman, Mr. Bickles, and a Chet Ubetcha-centric episode instead. It's just another factor in the degradation of this show, which is why I'm glad its dying.

      No, she was talking about me. So don't worry. I deserved it anyways, because I took my frustrations on her instead of taking them into MORE IMPORTANT people.

      Yeah, if anything, a REAL mary sue would DENY she made any mistakes.

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    • I think a lot of people are getting way too worried about a character who's so far only appeared in one episode. We might never hear from here again, ever, and Tootie and Trixie could both show back up and restore status quo. She can also show back up as a non-love interest and potentially become say, a friend for Tootie or something. We'll see what happens.

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    • JohnVMaster wrote: I think a lot of people are getting way too worried about a character who's so far only appeared in one episode. We might never hear from here again, ever, and Tootie and Trixie could both show back up and restore status quo. She can also show back up as a non-love interest and potentially become say, a friend for Tootie or something. We'll see what happens.

      I think that Missy becoming a friend of Tootie is an excellent idea. But I don't think the writers will come up with a good idea like that. They'll probably think up something stupid, like Crocker thinking Missy is a fairy. That is why it would be best for Missy to stay as a one-time character, and have more Trixie and Tootie episodes follow.

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    • I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

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    • WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:
      I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

      You do realize Veronica is probably the same age as Trixie. They might be twelve or thirteen from my point of view.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:
      I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

      You do realize Veronica is probably the same age as Trixie. They might be twelve or thirteen from my point of view.

      Actually I never thought about that. And I never thought of Trixie and Veronica being 12 or 13. But I might have known Trixie and Veronica were the same age.

      Maybe, just maybe, Timmy likes older girls like some other young males seem to.

      But if they're 12 or 13, what's Trixie still doing in the fifth grade? Sorry I'm being a wet-blanket.

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    • WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:

      Marioroxmysox wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:
      I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

      You do realize Veronica is probably the same age as Trixie. They might be twelve or thirteen from my point of view.

      Actually I never thought about that. And I never thought of Trixie and Veronica being 12 or 13. But I might have know Trixie and Veronica were the same age.

      Maybe, just maybe, Timmy likes older girls like some other young males seem to.

      But if they're 12 or 13, what's Trixie still doing in the fifth grade? Sorry I'm being a wet-blanket.

      Actually, Trixie and Veronica are 10 years old but they seem to be older. Don't ask me why they're taller than most kids in Timmy's school.

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    • Roman.disalvo.9 wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:

      Marioroxmysox wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:
      I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

      You do realize Veronica is probably the same age as Trixie. They might be twelve or thirteen from my point of view.

      Actually I never thought about that. And I never thought of Trixie and Veronica being 12 or 13. But I might have know Trixie and Veronica were the same age.

      Maybe, just maybe, Timmy likes older girls like some other young males seem to.

      But if they're 12 or 13, what's Trixie still doing in the fifth grade? Sorry I'm being a wet-blanket.

      Actually, Trixie and Veronica are 10 years old but they seem to be older. Don't ask me why they're taller than most kids in Timmy's school.

      Maybe they have growth-spurts.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:

      Roman.disalvo.9 wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:

      Marioroxmysox wrote:

      WillTheArthurandBusterFan5050 wrote:
      I kind of like Missy and think she's okay for a character. Not totally sure she's for Timmy, however, she's not a snob like Trixie and she's not as crazy, or whatever, as Tootie. I don't know how to compare her to Veronica, who is SO not for Timmy. I mean until I saw Information Stupor Highway, I always thought Veronica hated Timmy. 'Oh great, the crazy one likes him!' But I think I'd rather see Timmy with Tootie, or perhaps Missy, and even Trixie, than Veronica.

      I don't know, I mean Missy seems very mature and loving, but I just cannot picture Missy and Timmy together. I guess I need a some time for this because she's so new right now. But I admit she's nice and mature. Maybe they are right for each other, but part of me thinks Tootie is better for Timmy.

      You do realize Veronica is probably the same age as Trixie. They might be twelve or thirteen from my point of view.

      Actually I never thought about that. And I never thought of Trixie and Veronica being 12 or 13. But I might have know Trixie and Veronica were the same age.

      Maybe, just maybe, Timmy likes older girls like some other young males seem to.

      But if they're 12 or 13, what's Trixie still doing in the fifth grade? Sorry I'm being a wet-blanket.

      Actually, Trixie and Veronica are 10 years old but they seem to be older. Don't ask me why they're taller than most kids in Timmy's school.

      Maybe they have growth-spurts.

      I think it must be due to hormonal problems.

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    • Girls, on average, are typically taller than boys in childhood due to puberty starting earlier. Heck, there should probably be more tall girls in Timmy's class.

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    • Yeah, in Hey Arnold, (which used to be my favorite cartoon) the girls there (except Phoebe) are taller than most of the boys (except Stinky, who doesn't even look like a 9 year old, he looks more like a teenager!)

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    • Regardless of her role in the show, I'm going to think of Missy's chances with Timmy from a realistic point of view.

      I ship TimTrix and TimToot as much as the next fangirl, I really do. They're both wonderful characters. But do we really want Timmy to end up with one of them? Do we REALLY?

      The only way Timmy can canonically end up with Trixie, and this has been shown in the show, is if he's either not himself or has something she wants. Timmy has to be someone specific to grab Trixie's attention. Because, three-dimensional character or not, she still only goes after guys that fit her very specific, very unrealistic, ideal for a boyfriend. Timmy would have to constantly fit a certain kind of role to be with her. Timmy doesn't deserve that. Timmy deserves better.

      TimToot, albeit a little more believable, is still not something I can honestly see happening. Because Timmy hasn't ever shown any real interest in Tootie, and he's only ever been nice and considerate to her out of Pity. Do we want Timmy to end up with Tootie just because he PITIES her? Does she deserve that?! No. (BTW, I haven't, and do not intend to, watch the live actions. This is no excuse to disregard them, but I'm using it as such so there.)

      Missy on the other hand is a completely different character. You might wanna think of her as a mix of other girls, or as a Self-Insert Sue, but I'm going to look at her as her own personality. She's nice, she's a bit of an airhead (at least that's the impression I got), a teeny bit boy-crazy, she's an animal lover, she accepts people for who they are instead of wanting them to change so they can please Her tastes. Yes, she's a Snow White Era Disney Princess. But Timmy's attraction to her is mutual. She likes him. And most of all, she likes him for Him. She likes Timmy. Not someone he's pretending to be, him. And that's where Missy wins in my eyes.

      To be honest, I don't particularly care who Timmy ends up with in the long run. But if I had to choose, I'd pick Missy. Cause, as great as Tootie and Trixie are, they're not exactly right for the guy. Sure, Missy isn't exactly right for him either. But at least SHE'll treat him like a person.

      And to all of you clinging to Tommy and Tammy, another lesson you should have learned in Channel Chasers is that the future is Not. Set. In. Stone.

      Lina Out.

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    • Missy seemed a little too perfect. It'd be great if she was introduced again showing a bit more of her flaws or quirks and then she can become an interesting and relatable character.

      And I don't really ship Timmy with anyone so I don't care who he might ultimately end up with but compared with Trixie and Tootie, Missy is definitely the least favourite.

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    • Kapuchino357 wrote:
      Regardless of her role in the show, I'm going to think of Missy's chances with Timmy from a realistic point of view.

      I ship TimTrix and TimToot as much as the next fangirl, I really do. They're both wonderful characters. But do we really want Timmy to end up with one of them? Do we REALLY?

      The only way Timmy can canonically end up with Trixie, and this has been shown in the show, is if he's either not himself or has something she wants. Timmy has to be someone specific to grab Trixie's attention. Because, three-dimensional character or not, she still only goes after guys that fit her very specific, very unrealistic, ideal for a boyfriend. Timmy would have to constantly fit a certain kind of role to be with her. Timmy doesn't deserve that. Timmy deserves better.

      TimToot, albeit a little more believable, is still not something I can honestly see happening. Because Timmy hasn't ever shown any real interest in Tootie, and he's only ever been nice and considerate to her out of Pity. Do we want Timmy to end up with Tootie just because he PITIES her? Does she deserve that?! No. (BTW, I haven't, and do not intend to, watch the live actions. This is no excuse to disregard them, but I'm using it as such so there.)

      Missy on the other hand is a completely different character. You might wanna think of her as a mix of other girls, or as a Self-Insert Sue, but I'm going to look at her as her own personality. She's nice, she's a bit of an airhead (at least that's the impression I got), a teeny bit boy-crazy, she's an animal lover, she accepts people for who they are instead of wanting them to change so they can please Her tastes. Yes, she's a Snow White Era Disney Princess. But Timmy's attraction to her is mutual. She likes him. And most of all, she likes him for Him. She likes Timmy. Not someone he's pretending to be, him. And that's where Missy wins in my eyes.

      To be honest, I don't particularly care who Timmy ends up with in the long run. But if I had to choose, I'd pick Missy. Cause, as great as Tootie and Trixie are, they're not exactly right for the guy. Sure, Missy isn't exactly right for him either. But at least SHE'll treat him like a person.

      And to all of you clinging to Tommy and Tammy, another lesson you should have learned in Channel Chasers is that the future is Not. Set. In. Stone.

      Lina Out.

      Thank you! That's exactly how I feel about this how "Trixie and Tootie" Debate!

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    • MarniDio wrote:
      Missy seemed a little too perfect. It'd be great if she was introduced again showing a bit more of her flaws or quirks and then she can become an interesting and relatable character.

      And I don't really ship Timmy with anyone so I don't care who he might ultimately end up with but compared with Trixie and Tootie, Missy is definitely the least favourite.

      Seriously? I think PieGuyRulz says it better about the problem with the show as of now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pg1vA1KJ_4A#t=767 (at 12:46 - 14:44 He talks about how Males are Bigative Idiots and Females are Whiny Nags in the Fairly Odd Parents).

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    • Yeah, seriously. It's just my opinion, man.

      And I agree that recent episodes have dudes that are portrayed as stupid and woman that are annoying, this was the most evident in worst episode of the series 'Desperate Without Housewives', but that doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying about Missy.

      To me, she was bland. Without any dynamics between her and Timmy I don't see any real interest between the two. Yeah she's pretty and sweet but that's really all there is. Give me another episode to explore her character more and how she acts as Timmy's girlfriend then we'll see. I just don't have a lot to go on from that one episode.

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    • MarniDio wrote:
      Yeah, seriously. It's just my opinion, man.

      And I agree that recent episodes have dudes that are portrayed as stupid and woman that are annoying, this was the most evident in worst episode of the series 'Desperate Without Housewives', but that doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying about Missy.

      To me, she was bland. Without any dynamics between her and Timmy I don't see any real interest between the two. Yeah she's pretty and sweet but that's really all there is. Give me another episode to explore her character more and how she acts as Timmy's girlfriend then we'll see. I just don't have a lot to go on from that one episode.

      I don't think it'll be that easy. If they do that, they would've made her like the other nags, and it won't be fun. It would've been nice if she was a straight character to fill in the void... but not treat her as a Megward the Wizard.

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    • If we leave her up to the current writing style then yes she will fall to the trend of nagging women in this show, but this gives them a chance to start again with a new character and develop her into something a lot more interesting.

      Like whatKapuchino357 was saying about having her accept Timmy as who he is, that was a good moral in the episode and something for the writers to build upon. We only got to scratch the surface of her character, all I'm asking for is for the writers to delve deeper and explore her potential. She doesn't have to become a boring, annoying and nagging girl we've all grown tired of seeing in this show, she just needs more screen time. From what I've seen so far, I'm not all that blown over by her.

      Trixie once had a little character development in Boy Who Would Be Queen episode where she shown herself to have a more boy-ish side and remembered Timmy's name after he accepted her, but nothing came out of it. She went back to rejecting him as always. It's such a shame because that could have lead to even more possibilities between her and Timmy.

      That little bit of development in that one episode can happen again between Missy and Timmy if they were given the right script. I'm not saying I don't like Missy or I don't want her to end up with Timmy, what I'm saying is she needs more work on her character before I'm convinced this would be a good decision for a pairing. They could've done it with Trixie or Tootie but the writers have obviously chosen not to.

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    • MarniDio wrote:
      If we leave her up to the current writing style then yes she will fall to the trend of nagging women in this show, but this gives them a chance to start again with a new character and develop her into something a lot more interesting.

      Like whatKapuchino357 was saying about having her accept Timmy as who he is, that was a good moral in the episode and something for the writers to build upon. We only got to scratch the surface of her character, all I'm asking for is for the writers to delve deeper and explore her potential. She doesn't have to become a boring, annoying and nagging girl we've all grown tired of seeing in this show, she just needs more screen time. From what I've seen so far, I'm not all that blown over by her.

      Trixie once had a little character development in Boy Who Would Be Queen episode where she shown herself to have a more boy-ish side and remembered Timmy's name after he accepted her, but nothing came out of it. She went back to rejecting him as always. It's such a shame because that could have lead to even more possibilities between her and Timmy.

      That little bit of development in that one episode can happen again between Missy and Timmy if they were given the right script. I'm not saying I don't like Missy or I don't want her to end up with Timmy, what I'm saying is she needs more work on her character before I'm convinced this would be a good decision for a pairing. They could've done it with Trixie or Tootie but the writers have obviously chosen not to.

      Actually, Trixie and Tootie's characters were best suited from their very first appearances. Trixie in "A Wish Too Far" and Tootie in "Fairy Flu". in the end of "A Wish Too Far" Trixie accepted Timmy for who he is, even if she had to hang out with cool kids; but even if she didn't remember Timmy's name, she didn't fling Timmy sky high. In "Fairy Flu" Tootie had a birthday, which Timmy had to accept... I'm not sure it's out of pity, but seeing as Cosmo accidentally sent Timmy's House into the Moon or something, that's saying otherwise, and Tootie even helped Timmy on the situation without focusing too much on her lovesickness on Timmy. After those appearances, they got an immidiate bad case of Internet Style Humor. Other than that, yes, I would like to see how they would do it to Missy, without botching her up like they did with Tootie and Trixie.

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    • I have to agree with MarniDio. Missy IS underdevelopped as of now.

      But just as they flanderized Tootie and Trixie, I'm afraid they're going to do the same to Missy, so part of me really doesn't want her appearing in any more episodes. Even though "Finding Emo" was a horridly bad one and I think she deserves a better one, I don't think I can trust the Season 9 writers with her.

      I really don't. Do. Not. Wanna see her turning into something horrible.

      I just want Timmy to be happy. Q3Q

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    • Kapuchino357 wrote:
      I have to agree with MarniDio. Missy IS underdevelopped as of now.

      But just as they flanderized Tootie and Trixie, I'm afraid they're going to do the same to Missy, so part of me really doesn't want her appearing in any more episodes. Even though "Finding Emo" was a horridly bad one and I think she deserves a better one, I don't think I can trust the Season 9 writers with her.

      I really don't. Do. Not. Wanna see her turning into something horrible.

      I just want Timmy to be happy. Q3Q

      I want Timmy to be happy too, I just didn't want her to fall under the same trap as Trixie from "A Wish to Far" and Tootie from "The Fairy Flu" did.

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    • Basically, as of this point in the show now, Missy does seem like the best choice Timmy has going for him, even if she's not the best one overall. Since she's the one who's most recently appeared so far, she has the best chance of appearing again and possibly getting character development. I suppose this all boils down to practicality in the end; Tootie and Trixie haven't been seen for ages, but Missy is a new, fresh character with some potential behind her.

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    • I want to mention recessive genes, which is prolly a bit off topic? but I've gone so deep into the TimMiss ship that I am probably extremely biased and should not be listened to.

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    • I really don't understand the exaggeration of how bad Tootie was that is being made by some people. Her worst episode, Lights Out, where she was trying to render Timmy unconscious to kiss him, was implied to be Timmy's nightmare and nothing else, it's also a post-Poof Kevin Sullivan episode and no sane person counts those for anything other than strawmanning. She's the only female character on the show, outside of Wanda and Timmy's mother (sometimes), who has stuck her neck out for Timmy, often at her own risk. Trixie hasn't done this, Missy hasn't done this. It's why a character like Tootie, intended to be unappealing and annoying, ended up to be a very popular fan character, rivaling Trixie who is more of the popular show pony of the cartoon. A character like Missy is a cheap attempt at winning over Tootie and Trixie's fans with a character that meets the perfect balance of both, but to actually say you like this character and support its inception is complete defeatism and outright admitting that Hartman was in the right to trash and write off those characters like he did this season. I really dislike the double standards that shippers have, especially toward Tootie, that they utterly convince themselves that there is no way they could be happy together when Hartman himself has said otherwise. Pretty much every Timmy/Tootie episode in this series is full of scenes which make Gravity Falls recent Pacifica/Dipper episode look subtle.

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    • ... Huh? What are you talking about? Why are you ranting about something so out of the blue, on a thread that hasn't been touched since last month? Any anti-Tootie comments on here are months old and long forgotten, and surely you're capable of dealing with any from outside this site, aren't you?

      "Complete defeatism and outright admitting that Hartman was in the right to trash and write off those characters like he did this season"? Why the ridiculous, condescending assumption? Stop drawing your asinine conclusions on everybody who doesn't outright hate a harmless one-shot character. Or totally like Tootie, shipped with Timmy or in general. Or anybody who doesn't share all your opinions. Stop trying to shoot people down, stop being a constantly bitter jerk, stop being a broken record, and stop being a bigger strawman than the imaginary people you claim are.

      No one is hating on Tootie right now. At least not here. No one is "utterly convincing themselves that there is no way they could be happy together" at the moment (strange that you suddenly care what Hartman says when your ship is the matter of question.)

      I could point out everything else wrong with your comment, start up a debate again. But I honestly, truly do not want to because this thread is tired and no one cares anymore, buddy. 

      Really, just...? What are you trying to do? This is so strange, suddenly drudging up an ancient topic literally everyone has forgotten about.

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    • Alright, Lord Beckett, major problem with your point. Ir doesn't matter if "Lights Out" if a post-Poof episode. It doesn't matter if it's written by Kevin Sullivan. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. It's still canon. And no, it was never implied that the episode was just a dream. 

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:
      I really don't understand the exaggeration of how bad Tootie was that is being made by some people. Her worst episode, Lights Out, where she was trying to render Timmy unconscious to kiss him, was implied to be Timmy's nightmare and nothing else, it's also a post-Poof Kevin Sullivan episode and no sane person counts those for anything other than strawmanning. She's the only female character on the show, outside of Wanda and Timmy's mother (sometimes), who has stuck her neck out for Timmy, often at her own risk. Trixie hasn't done this, Missy hasn't done this. It's why a character like Tootie, intended to be unappealing and annoying, ended up to be a very popular fan character, rivaling Trixie who is more of the popular show pony of the cartoon. A character like Missy is a cheap attempt at winning over Tootie and Trixie's fans with a character that meets the perfect balance of both, but to actually say you like this character and support its inception is complete defeatism and outright admitting that Hartman was in the right to trash and write off those characters like he did this season. I really dislike the double standards that shippers have, especially toward Tootie, that they utterly convince themselves that there is no way they could be happy together when Hartman himself has said otherwise. Pretty much every Timmy/Tootie episode in this series is full of scenes which make Gravity Falls recent Pacifica/Dipper episode look subtle.

      You ever heard of Chris Thorndyke from Sonic X? His first appearance didn't seem that bad, he seemed more like an average out of the blue character... that's not saying much, considering he only showed up in the last minute of the episode; but when episode 2 came out, boy have they exaggerated his character alot, as if he wanted more attention. He went from "meh", to "holy shit, what did you do!?!" That's the same problem with Tootie and Trixie when they had their second appearance each.

      It's the same thing with Patrick from Spongebob; He's just a lovable oaf that you just want to give him a hug, because he's very gullible, but he'll figure things out sooner or later. The later seasons botched his character: "Spongebob, you can't expect my usual brand of stupidity. I like to mix it up; keep you on your toes." Need I say more?

      The point is, you can't excuse these characters to take a heel face turn just when you don't know much about them, or that you do know about them, but you didn't know how horribly written this character is after their first appearance.

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    • Wait... Foop and Sparky become recurring characters, Crocker and several other characters have not had their interactions with fairies erased, more of Da Rules are being broken, continuity is being disregarded and Timmy gets a new love interest? And on top of all that, shippers?! (This is more frightening than the Avatar fanbase) I go away from the show for 5 years and this is what I come back to? This really burns my hotpockets.

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    • The Forgotten Beast wrote:
      Wait... Foop and Sparky become recurring characters, Crocker and several other characters have not had their interactions with fairies erased, more of Da Rules are being broken, continuity is being disregarded and Timmy gets a new love interest? And on top of all that, shippers?! (This is more frightening than the Avatar fanbase) I go away from the show for 5 years and this is what I come back to? This really burns my hotpockets.


      Yeah, believe it. Only one of those things was temporary and that was Missy, who only appeared for one episode. The rest however, oh yeah.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote:
      The Forgotten Beast wrote:
      Wait... Foop and Sparky become recurring characters, Crocker and several other characters have not had their interactions with fairies erased, more of Da Rules are being broken, continuity is being disregarded and Timmy gets a new love interest? And on top of all that, shippers?! (This is more frightening than the Avatar fanbase) I go away from the show for 5 years and this is what I come back to? This really burns my hotpockets.

      Yeah, believe it. Only one of those things was temporary and that was Missy, who only appeared for one episode. The rest however, oh yeah.

      So, that means, the writers don't even care about Timmy growing up, and are going to stick with the "Status Quo is god" Cliche... those writers are fucking morons.

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    • o3o

      Okay, Imma play Devil's Advocate for a bit now, is that okay? Okay. About Hartman and his opinions and how everything used to be good but now it's bad, I agree that quality in FOP has been decreasing, but here's what you guys are doing wrong;

      You're forgetting that this is Butch Hartman's show, Butch Hartman's characters, Butch Hartman's brain baby. Which means that Butch Hartman gets to do whatever the heck he wants to with it, because it all belongs to him, and the ONLY people who can ever get in his way are the Higher Ups at Nickelodeon, since His show is on Their channel. Bottom line, Hartman's the one who makes the decisions, and we either live with them or leave.

      Butch Hartman, as everyone else on the planet, also reserves the right to change his own opinion. Tootie used to be his favorite, yes. But it's been a long time since, and Butch Hartman's the one who decided on introducing Missy. So obviously, maybe he just changed his opinion on Tootie. This doesn't mean you have to change Your opinion on Tootie, it's yours and you get to do what you want with it, but you can't defend it arguing that it was also Butch's opinion a while ago and he's "just being stupid and should change it back because I refuse to accept his new opinion as fact". So yeah, any disagreeing with what Butch Hartman does is just, like, your opinion, man.

      ...

      Well, I think that just about covers one part of what I don't like in this fandom. Saying you're not happy with "Status Quo is God" while insisting Butch should change things back to how they used to be is complete hypocrisity, guys.

      Rue, I'm so sorry about making this pop back up in your Wiki alerts, I know you must be sick of it.

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    • Rue Sinclair wrote: ... Huh? What are you talking about? Why are you ranting about something so out of the blue, on a thread that hasn't been touched since last month? Any anti-Tootie comments on here are months old and long forgotten, and surely you're capable of dealing with any from outside this site, aren't you?

      I wasn't aware there was a time limit on how often I could bump a thread I made, that had been going on for well over a year with month breaks between posts. Not everyone can be here everyday; most long-time fans don't even care enough to come here anymore. Someone needed to step to the defense of FOP's whipping girl, especially in the face of a ratings grab Poochie character like Missy. Absolutely NOT should long term fans have to be swept aside for a badly put together and comedy-less character.

      Heeha wrote: Alright, Lord Beckett, major problem with your point. Ir doesn't matter if "Lights Out" if a post-Poof episode. It doesn't matter if it's written by Kevin Sullivan. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. It's still canon. And no, it was never implied that the episode was just a dream.

      Actually, Timmy is shown "waking up screaming" at the end just as he is about to be attacked by a multitude of allies and enemies alike that seemed to be working against him. Then they make a zinger at the end that implies it wasn't a dream, but it was really just incredibly bad writing and failed comedy. An episode like that has a negligible impact on canon because of things like an unbelievable narrator, and, well, since when do they follow up on filler episodes like that? Unless you want to seriously sit here and argue that Cosmo and Wanda wanting to kill Timmy is normal behavior.

      I literally cringe any time I have to use or have to hear someone use the word canon. It's a completely meaningless word in this type of show and its lost its teeth.

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    • I'm pretty sure it was made clear that Cosmo and Wanda were just pretending to do that in order to scare him. 

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    • Kapuchino357 wrote: o3o

      Okay, Imma play Devil's Advocate for a bit now, is that okay? Okay. About Hartman and his opinions and how everything used to be good but now it's bad, I agree that quality in FOP has been decreasing, but here's what you guys are doing wrong;

      You're forgetting that this is Butch Hartman's show, Butch Hartman's characters, Butch Hartman's brain baby. Which means that Butch Hartman gets to do whatever the heck he wants to with it, because it all belongs to him, and the ONLY people who can ever get in his way are the Higher Ups at Nickelodeon, since His show is on Their channel. Bottom line, Hartman's the one who makes the decisions, and we either live with them or leave.

      Butch Hartman, as everyone else on the planet, also reserves the right to change his own opinion. Tootie used to be his favorite, yes. But it's been a long time since, and Butch Hartman's the one who decided on introducing Missy. So obviously, maybe he just changed his opinion on Tootie. This doesn't mean you have to change Your opinion on Tootie, it's yours and you get to do what you want with it, but you can't defend it arguing that it was also Butch's opinion a while ago and he's "just being stupid and should change it back because I refuse to accept his new opinion as fact". So yeah, any disagreeing with what Butch Hartman does is just, like, your opinion, man.

      ...

      Well, I think that just about covers one part of what I don't like in this fandom. Saying you're not happy with "Status Quo is God" while insisting Butch should change things back to how they used to be is complete hypocrisity, guys.

      Rue, I'm so sorry about making this pop back up in your Wiki alerts, I know you must be sick of it.

      I'm not saying the creator doesn't have the right to do what he wants with his creation, but changes should be made with careful consideration otherwise you risk alienating the very reason for your creation's growth and attraction. Like Star Wars, George Lucas could make any changes he likes but they have to be done in a way that they'll satisfy both him and his fans, such as Jar Jar who has a mixed reception but was still not something that greatly affected the value and popularity of the franchise, but then there's changes that affect pre-established concepts that people liked and were familiar with, such as the midichlorians which were felt to take too much away from the mystical aspect of the Force (luckily writers and further changes by Lucas in response to criticism made it so that they were just a conduit for the mystical aspect), hence ensuring not to alienate a large percentage of fans.

      In short, the creator can do what he wants but he has to be careful and considerate of what he does otherwise he runs the risk of ruining the stability of his creation.

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    • The Forgotten Beast wrote:
      I'm not saying the creator doesn't have the right to do what he wants with his creation, but changes should be made with careful consideration otherwise you risk alienating the very reason for your creation's growth and attraction. Like Star Wars, George Lucas could make any changes he likes but they have to be done in a way that they'll satisfy both him and his fans, such as Jar Jar who has a mixed reception but was still not something that greatly affected the value and popularity of the franchise, but then there's changes that affect pre-established concepts that people liked and were familiar with, such as the midichlorians which were felt to take too much away from the mystical aspect of the Force (luckily writers and further changes by Lucas in response to criticism made it so that they were just a conduit for the mystical aspect), hence ensuring not to alienate a large percentage of fans.

      In short, the creator can do what he wants but he has to be careful and considerate of what he does otherwise he runs the risk of ruining the stability of his creation.

      That, and making "the Force" as a scientific nano thingy is not any good. It's like making Princess Bubblegum a bigative jerkass sue about Magic, right after the episode "Five Short Greybles".

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote: That, and making "the Force" as a scientific nano thingy is not any good. It's like making Princess Bubblegum a bigative jerkass sue about Magic, right after the episode "Five Short Greybles".

      http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/TheForgottenBeast/56436094_zpse9cxu5t6.jpg

      I think you and I will get along splendidly.

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    • The Forgotten Beast wrote: I'm not saying the creator doesn't have the right to do what he wants with his creation, but changes should be made with careful consideration otherwise you risk alienating the very reason for your creation's growth and attraction. Like Star Wars, George Lucas could make any changes he likes but they have to be done in a way that they'll satisfy both him and his fans, such as Jar Jar who has a mixed reception but was still not something that greatly affected the value and popularity of the franchise, but then there's changes that affect pre-established concepts that people liked and were familiar with, such as the midichlorians which were felt to take too much away from the mystical aspect of the Force (luckily writers and further changes by Lucas in response to criticism made it so that they were just a conduit for the mystical aspect), hence ensuring not to alienate a large percentage of fans.

      In short, the creator can do what he wants but he has to be careful and considerate of what he does otherwise he runs the risk of ruining the stability of his creation.

      Agreed. Butch Hartman is basically a cartoon George Lucas, which is funny when you consider how often Star Wars got parodied in this series, including a "take that" at Jar Jar Binks early in the series (then Hartman introduces a character like Sparky, oh how time makes fools of us all). His ideas, his visions, are more about selling merchandise than bringing changes that the fans actually wanted.

      Yet another love interest was the last thing on everyone's minds when it came to things this cartoon was in dire need of. Same with the dog, Timmy didn't need a pet and its inclusion had zero positive impact on the series, it didn't even work as a ratings grab. Season 9 was marred by failures and the ratings reached all-time lows. This is not a sign of a creator making the right changes. It's the sign of an oldhat cartoonist opening the book of 1970 Hanna-Barbera cartoon tricks to prolong a dying series. It pains me as a long time fan to say this, but the past few years of FOP have completely soured my look of this cartoon, even watching the good older episodes just makes me sad how badly they mishandled what could've been one of Nickelodeon's all time greatest shows.

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    • I wasn't aware there was a time limit on how often I could bump a thread I made, that had been going on for well over a year with month breaks between posts. Not everyone can be here everyday; most long-time fans don't even care enough to come here anymore. Someone needed to step to the defense of FOP's whipping girl, especially in the face of a ratings grab Poochie character like Missy. Absolutely NOT should long term fans have to be swept aside for a badly put together and comedy-less character.

      It's just strange that you would, after such a long time. Shrug.

      The thing is, she's not. You keep dramatically presenting her as some new-age threat that will eat away at the fans' psyche -shippers and Tootie fans front and center- when really she's nothing but a rather pointless, brief anomaly that will very likely will not show up again. That's it. And hey, if some people just happen to like her anyway, who are you to police them?

      There plenty, plenty more issues about the show more worthy of talking about. (Which, I must say, you've been doing a good job of.)

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    • Lord Beckett wrote:

      The Forgotten Beast wrote: I'm not saying the creator doesn't have the right to do what he wants with his creation, but changes should be made with careful consideration otherwise you risk alienating the very reason for your creation's growth and attraction. Like Star Wars, George Lucas could make any changes he likes but they have to be done in a way that they'll satisfy both him and his fans, such as Jar Jar who has a mixed reception but was still not something that greatly affected the value and popularity of the franchise, but then there's changes that affect pre-established concepts that people liked and were familiar with, such as the midichlorians which were felt to take too much away from the mystical aspect of the Force (luckily writers and further changes by Lucas in response to criticism made it so that they were just a conduit for the mystical aspect), hence ensuring not to alienate a large percentage of fans.

      In short, the creator can do what he wants but he has to be careful and considerate of what he does otherwise he runs the risk of ruining the stability of his creation.

      Agreed. Butch Hartman is basically a cartoon George Lucas, which is funny when you consider how often Star Wars got parodied in this series, including a "take that" at Jar Jar Binks early in the series (then Hartman introduces a character like Sparky, oh how time makes fools of us all). His ideas, his visions, are more about selling merchandise than bringing changes that the fans actually wanted.

      Yet another love interest was the last thing on everyone's minds when it came to things this cartoon was in dire need of. Same with the dog, Timmy didn't need a pet and its inclusion had zero positive impact on the series, it didn't even work as a ratings grab. Season 9 was marred by failures and the ratings reached all-time lows. This is not a sign of a creator making the right changes. It's the sign of an oldhat cartoonist opening the book of 1970 Hanna-Barbera cartoon tricks to prolong a dying series. It pains me as a long time fan to say this, but the past few years of FOP have completely soured my look of this cartoon, even watching the good older episodes just makes me sad how badly they mishandled what could've been one of Nickelodeon's all time greatest shows.

      1) I feel like Hartman became too cocky/lazy too soon. He saw that his Hanna-Barbera inspired humor worked well for the first few seasons so he went with that for the rest. He began to rely on it even when enough time passed that it simply didn't anymore. Unfamiliar with modern humor and plotlines that touch today's audiences, Hartman had only weak pop-culture references and cookie-cutter episode templates to work with. I bet he realized something was wrong a long time ago, but when he did, it was already too late. A fish out of the temporal water is what we're left with as a result.

      2) This is thread is getting too long and off topic. We should move this discussion elsewhere.

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    • To be frank, I think Niceklodeon deserves some blame too. I've found their episode schedules for FOP are horrific and focused too much on 'five new episodes in one week!' and then none for weeks. I'll admit I don't check regularly but jeez, I'd be more inclined to tune in if they had a traditional weekly schedule like most Cartoon Network programs or Nick's own TMNT.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:
      Kapuchino357 wrote:
      Regardless of her role in the show, I'm going to think of Missy's chances with Timmy from a realistic point of view.

      I ship TimTrix and TimToot as much as the next fangirl, I really do. They're both wonderful characters. But do we really want Timmy to end up with one of them? Do we REALLY?

      The only way Timmy can canonically end up with Trixie, and this has been shown in the show, is if he's either not himself or has something she wants. Timmy has to be someone specific to grab Trixie's attention. Because, three-dimensional character or not, she still only goes after guys that fit her very specific, very unrealistic, ideal for a boyfriend. Timmy would have to constantly fit a certain kind of role to be with her. Timmy doesn't deserve that. Timmy deserves better.

      TimToot, albeit a little more believable, is still not something I can honestly see happening. Because Timmy hasn't ever shown any real interest in Tootie, and he's only ever been nice and considerate to her out of Pity. Do we want Timmy to end up with Tootie just because he PITIES her? Does she deserve that?! No. (BTW, I haven't, and do not intend to, watch the live actions. This is no excuse to disregard them, but I'm using it as such so there.)

      Missy on the other hand is a completely different character. You might wanna think of her as a mix of other girls, or as a Self-Insert Sue, but I'm going to look at her as her own personality. She's nice, she's a bit of an airhead (at least that's the impression I got), a teeny bit boy-crazy, she's an animal lover, she accepts people for who they are instead of wanting them to change so they can please Her tastes. Yes, she's a Snow White Era Disney Princess. But Timmy's attraction to her is mutual. She likes him. And most of all, she likes him for Him. She likes Timmy. Not someone he's pretending to be, him. And that's where Missy wins in my eyes.

      To be honest, I don't particularly care who Timmy ends up with in the long run. But if I had to choose, I'd pick Missy. Cause, as great as Tootie and Trixie are, they're not exactly right for the guy. Sure, Missy isn't exactly right for him either. But at least SHE'll treat him like a person.

      And to all of you clinging to Tommy and Tammy, another lesson you should have learned in Channel Chasers is that the future is Not. Set. In. Stone.

      Lina Out.

      Thank you! That's exactly how I feel about this how "Trixie and Tootie" Debate!

      No joke! I feel that way too!

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    • Heeha wrote:
      Personally, I thought Poof was a nice addition but Sparky was unnesscary.

      same

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    • CAPRAFILMS wrote:
      Oh, I just hope Trixie tang returns for season 9.

      same here

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    • I don't know what everyone else thinks about Missy, but I think it was a huge mistake adding her into the show. How many love interests does Timmy need anyway. In my opinion, he would of been fine with Trixie. I kind of wish she would of stayed around. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of want Tootie to be back on the show as well. It's such an embarrassment Hartman had created by adding unecessary characters. There is no reason why Missy needed to be added.

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    • OliviaRulezBiz wrote:
      I don't know what everyone else thinks about Missy, but I think it was a huge mistake adding her into the show. How many love interests does Timmy need anyway. In my opinion, he would of been fine with Trixie. I kind of wish she would of stayed around. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of want Tootie to be back on the show as well. It's such an embarrassment Hartman had created by adding unecessary characters. There is no reason why Missy needed to be added.

      Riddle me this? Does Trixie accept Timmy for who he is, or does she want him to be what he isn't? Also, Chloe is much worse than what Missy has done, because Chloe is a Mary Sue.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:
      OliviaRulezBiz wrote:
      I don't know what everyone else thinks about Missy, but I think it was a huge mistake adding her into the show. How many love interests does Timmy need anyway. In my opinion, he would of been fine with Trixie. I kind of wish she would of stayed around. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of want Tootie to be back on the show as well. It's such an embarrassment Hartman had created by adding unecessary characters. There is no reason why Missy needed to be added.
      Riddle me this? Does Trixie accept Timmy for who he is, or does she want him to be what he isn't? Also, Chloe is much worse than what Missy has done, because Chloe is a Mary Sue.

      I'm sick of people hating on every new character =__= people complained about poof being a boy same with sparky people wanted a girl character,and we finally get a girl character what do people do? they still complain,why? you guys finally got a girl character in the show deal with it

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    • Kitty5327 wrote:
      Marioroxmysox wrote:
      OliviaRulezBiz wrote:
      I don't know what everyone else thinks about Missy, but I think it was a huge mistake adding her into the show. How many love interests does Timmy need anyway. In my opinion, he would of been fine with Trixie. I kind of wish she would of stayed around. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of want Tootie to be back on the show as well. It's such an embarrassment Hartman had created by adding unecessary characters. There is no reason why Missy needed to be added.
      Riddle me this? Does Trixie accept Timmy for who he is, or does she want him to be what he isn't? Also, Chloe is much worse than what Missy has done, because Chloe is a Mary Sue.
      I'm sick of people hating on every new character =__= people complained about poof being a boy same with sparky people wanted a girl character,and we finally get a girl character what do people do? they still complain,why? you guys finally got a girl character in the show deal with it

      Missy was good enough of a girl character, and accepted Timmy for who he is... not only that, but we started to see what Missy's personality is like. Chloe, on the other hand, is nothing more than a Mary Sue who wanted Sympathy out of Timmy, just so he can share his fairy godparents. And guess what, some of the episodes took away Timmy's screentime, as if Timmy is not an interesting character anymore.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:

      Chloe, on the other hand, is nothing more than a Mary Sue who wanted Sympathy out of Timmy, just so he can share his fairy godparents. And guess what, some of the episodes took away Timmy's screentime, as if Timmy is not an interesting character anymore.

      I love how if a character is new, and seems to be shown nice, positive, and not being down at the ground, they're automatically a Mary Sue. I'm not saying she isn't, but ehh... ( Am I the only one that still likes her, despite her "being a Mary Sue", though there is quite obviously signs she isn't perfect, just puts up the picture. )

      Anyways, umm... "wanted sympathy out of Timmy just so he can share his fairy godparents." ... when? How?

      As bad as it is, though she felt miserable enough to have them, Chloe was fine without fairies, and never really tried to get Timmy to share with her. Sure, she was happy to have fairies, but just because she explained why she's feeling miserable didn't mean she was trying to get Timmy to let her keep them with him. Also, she even offered that she would NOT share fairies with Timmy, considering he doesn't want to. ( And Timmy was the one that ended up letting her. )

      Also, you're saying that last line like there was never an episode that ate up Timmy's screentime.

      EDIT: Speaking of Mary Sues btw, Missy is technically one too, if we think about it. She doesn't seem to have obvious flaws, all the boys are falling for her, Timmy included, she's loving, caring, etc. Kind of the definition of perfect? I might be wrong here, but that's kind of something that came off from her.

      I guess people just didn't really bother about it because it wasn't mentioned or completely showed off that she's pretty fine. ( Or I guess it really is a catastrophe for the fandom that a character needs to share fairies. )

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    • Chloe is the best human character ever. Shes the reason the show still aires.

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:
      Kitty5327 wrote:
      Marioroxmysox wrote:
      OliviaRulezBiz wrote:
      I don't know what everyone else thinks about Missy, but I think it was a huge mistake adding her into the show. How many love interests does Timmy need anyway. In my opinion, he would of been fine with Trixie. I kind of wish she would of stayed around. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I kind of want Tootie to be back on the show as well. It's such an embarrassment Hartman had created by adding unecessary characters. There is no reason why Missy needed to be added.
      Riddle me this? Does Trixie accept Timmy for who he is, or does she want him to be what he isn't? Also, Chloe is much worse than what Missy has done, because Chloe is a Mary Sue.
      I'm sick of people hating on every new character =__= people complained about poof being a boy same with sparky people wanted a girl character,and we finally get a girl character what do people do? they still complain,why? you guys finally got a girl character in the show deal with it
      Missy was good enough of a girl character, and accepted Timmy for who he is... not only that, but we started to see what Missy's personality is like. Chloe, on the other hand, is nothing more than a Mary Sue who wanted Sympathy out of Timmy, just so he can share his fairy godparents. And guess what, some of the episodes took away Timmy's screentime, as if Timmy is not an interesting character anymore.

      well she wasn a one time character and 99% of the time one time characters never come back so yes and no,but I'm sick of people on hating every character,I like them and I've been a fan for a long time,why am I the only one that gives things a chance?

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    • Jennus wrote:

      I love how if a character is new, and seems to be shown nice, positive, and not being down at the ground, they're automatically a Mary Sue. I'm not saying she isn't, but ehh... ( Am I the only one that still likes her, despite her "being a Mary Sue", though there is quite obviously signs she isn't perfect, just puts up the picture. )

      Anyways, umm... "wanted sympathy out of Timmy just so he can share his fairy godparents." ... when? How?

      As bad as it is, though she felt miserable enough to have them, Chloe was fine without fairies, and never really tried to get Timmy to share with her. Sure, she was happy to have fairies, but just because she explained why she's feeling miserable didn't mean she was trying to get Timmy to let her keep them with him. Also, she even offered that she would NOT share fairies with Timmy, considering he doesn't want to. ( And Timmy was the one that ended up letting her. )

      Also, you're saying that last line like there was never an episode that ate up Timmy's screentime.

      EDIT: Speaking of Mary Sues btw, Missy is technically one too, if we think about it. She doesn't seem to have obvious flaws, all the boys are falling for her, Timmy included, she's loving, caring, etc. Kind of the definition of perfect? I might be wrong here, but that's kind of something that came off from her.

      I guess people just didn't really bother about it because it wasn't mentioned or completely showed off that she's pretty fine. ( Or I guess it really is a catastrophe for the fandom that a character needs to share fairies. )

      1. If Missy was given another chance, we would like her better. I'll be okay if she had flaws, as long as Missy wasn't overpowered like Chloe is.

      2. I'm not being mean or anything, but I just want you take a good look at the reviews by MrEnter and PIEGUYRULZ about how "Forced, Unnatural, and Illogical" compared to the other episodes.

      3. We were first shown that they love Chloe, and then later, Chloe said no one wants to be her friend... you ever heard of politicians?

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    • I don't see how would Chloe be "overpowered".

      Also, I did and I am still standing with my opinion. Though I don't see your last point. What do politicians have to do with this kind of stuff?

      Also yes, I am very well aware there was a hole in that plot, that I can't get myself, but the fact still stands, that if we think about it, although the episode did start off with everyone liking her, by the end of the episode ( and so far in the aired episodes, although I cannot confirm May Or May Not as I didn't see it yet ) everybody started... not giving a shit about her?

      Whatever, I guess everyone has different opinions and I've no rights to change that, but I wanted to point out what I think was a bit invalid, atleast in the way you said it.

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    • Jennus wrote:
      I don't see how would Chloe be "overpowered".

      Also, I did and I am still standing with my opinion. Though I don't see your last point. What do politicians have to do with this kind of stuff?

      Also yes, I am very well aware there was a hole in that plot, that I can't get myself, but the fact still stands, that if we think about it, although the episode did start off with everyone liking her, by the end of the episode ( and so far in the aired episodes, although I cannot confirm May Or May Not as I didn't see it yet ) everybody started... not giving a shit about her?

      Whatever, I guess everyone has different opinions and I've no rights to change that, but I wanted to point out what I think was a bit invalid, atleast in the way you said it.

      It's not invalid, it's the truth! The writers didn't care about what they're writing for the story that they themselves made! Chloe just made Sally Acorn from Sonic SatAM less of a Mary Sue than what a lot of people thought, and made Sparky an honest dog, because he doesn't lie the first time you meet him!

      Also, I made a video based on a joke from the Nostalgia Critic: [[1]]

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    • Marioroxmysox wrote:

      It's not invalid, it's the truth! The writers didn't care about what they're writing for the story that they themselves made!

      Hey, lambchop, lemme tell you a little something about your opinions; THEY AIN'T FACTS!

      It's gonna take a little more than your (based on words said by a bunch of overglorified critics, at that) say so to make people accept something as fact.

      Chloe Is a Mary Sue. Missy is also a Mary Sue. Compared to Missy, however, Chloe is a lot less of a Mary Sue. How about you stop playing Fun Police and let us smart people enjoy them anyway?

      And Most Importantly; This isn't even related to the Thread. Please either make a new one if you're so intent on bashing Chloe, or just scram. This thread is months old, supposed to be Dead, and about Missy, not Chloe.

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    • Kapuchino357 wrote:
      Marioroxmysox wrote:

      It's not invalid, it's the truth! The writers didn't care about what they're writing for the story that they themselves made!

      Hey, lambchop, lemme tell you a little something about your opinions; THEY AIN'T FACTS!

      It's gonna take a little more than your (based on words said by a bunch of overglorified critics, at that) say so to make people accept something as fact.

      Chloe Is a Mary Sue. Missy is also a Mary Sue. Compared to Missy, however, Chloe is a lot less of a Mary Sue. How about you stop playing Fun Police and let us smart people enjoy them anyway?

      And Most Importantly; This isn't even related to the Thread. Please either make a new one if you're so intent on bashing Chloe, or just scram. This thread is months old, supposed to be Dead, and about Missy, not Chloe.

      Actually, you had it backwards on who's a lot less of a Mary Sue, because I alreay put up my Nostalgia Critic joke. Also, that's bullshit to call Missy a Mary Sue. Can't you just try to imagine what it'll be like if Missy did have mistakes? Because I don't see a NATURAL mistake that Chloe made. And Chloe is too powerful to have fairies.

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